# What is the biggest event that is accepted by all conspiracy theorists at face value? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 17, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158 "2021-02-17T19:58:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/21 "2021-02-18T14:54:18Z")
I would get more concrete than that and say that everybody believes that the USA threw two A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At least I never heard or read anybody denying that. Of course some people say that it was a good thing, others say it was a bad thing, but they all agree it happened as told in history books. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/22 "2021-02-18T14:57:38Z")
Yeah, but only because he could not swim. ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/23 "2021-02-18T15:52:51Z")
> [@tavaritz](#): > > That Jesus walked on water? Bah humbug, I know how that trick is done-- you install a clear plexiglass sheet strong enough to support body weight about 1" under the surface. The real miracle is where did Jesus get any plexiglass? ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/24 "2021-02-18T16:15:04Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > … > You mentioned what are probably the most common beliefs, that neither Oswald or Ruby acted alone. But not everybody thinks that means the FBI and CIA were part of the conspiracy or coverup. Many people just believe the authorities weren’t competent enough to find all the details or covered up their own unintended involvement. Makes sense. Except…if the mob WAS involved, I know J. Edgar Hoover denied the very existence of the mob because of his own personal agenda. He was kind of an early trumpy type that way. And it’s also well known that he routinely collected blackmail material on many political figures. So, WAS Hoover and the FBI instrumental in suppressing the true findings of the Warren Commission? Was Hoover himself blackmailed by the mob into ignoring them? The rabbit hole goes deeper than we think, people! ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/25 "2021-02-18T16:30:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/26 "2021-02-18T16:32:52Z")
The original question is ambiguous. Do you mean the biggest **actual** event that no conspiracy denies? Or the biggest **false** event that every conspiracy theorist accepts? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/27 "2021-02-18T16:35:20Z")
Biggest **true** thing. Although, also, things in general. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/28 "2021-02-18T16:43:56Z")
Are you asking for the biggest event that no conspiracy theorist denies happened? There is no such thing. Remember that some people think we are living in a Matrix and nothing is real. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/29 "2021-02-18T16:52:22Z")
> [@etasyde](#): > > Chernobyl tends to be conspiracy free, from what I can tell The Russians are on it: [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48559289](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48559289) > [@Boycott](#): > > I think it is accepted Apollo 13’s malfunction on the way to the Moon and the subsequent aborted mission/return flight was hanging in the balance and close to ultimate disaster. As opposed to a manufactured crisis engineered to be a “heroic failure” with the crew in cahoots to drum up worldwide attention once again to the space program. A lot of the flat-earthers don’t believe the space program is real; they’d almost certainly think A13 was a manufactured crisis, though its purpose would be to reinforce belief in round earth cosmology. For reasons. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/30 "2021-02-18T16:55:56Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > everybody believes that the USA threw two A-bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japanese QAnon believers think Hirohito owned the patent on the bombs (possibly after being replaced by the Koreans, along with the rest of the imperial family): [Why the QAnon movement is finding followers in Japan – DW – 01/25/2021](https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-pro-trump-qanon-movement-is-finding-followers-in-japan/a-56333553) ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/31 "2021-02-18T16:58:39Z")
That the sun rises in the east every day and sets in the west? Even flat-earthers have to believe that. And it is a pretty big event. How would we be if it didn’t happen? I know they believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Do any of them believe it didn’t happen? That the twin towers still stand? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/32 "2021-02-18T17:02:22Z")
I ran across an interesting one a week or so ago. This was a conspiracy theory that the Apollo 11 mission did go to the Moon - but that all of the subsequent lunar missions were faked. The theory was that Apollo 11 found an abandoned alien base on the Moon so we were afraid to go back and possibility alert the aliens. But the government didn’t want to tip off the public by cancelling the already scheduled missions so they just faked them until they could shut down the Apollo program. This theory supposedly explains why we abandoned developing any space program further out than Earth’s orbit. ---
**Author:** ![tavaritz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/71e660/32.png) [@tavaritz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tavaritz)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/33 "2021-02-18T17:22:58Z")
What I meant that IMHO all CT’s take bible as written testimony and true so they all believe the hoax that Jesus walked on water. So that’s then the biggest event they all take at face value. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/34 "2021-02-18T17:27:44Z")
I am speechless. I will not ask why Hirohito did not use the bombs against the enemy, I mean, a Japanese [QAnon](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00097qanus.html)… reported by the Deutsche Welle, of all things! yeah… well, [shrug](https://schumanchu.eu/html/l/l_00098qanal.html)… Thanks for the information. Not what I expected to learn today, but ignorance fought nontheless. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/35 "2021-02-18T17:41:55Z")
> [@Pardel-Lux](#): > > I will not ask why Hirohito did not use the bombs against the enemy This JAnon theory seems to have its own “the elites betray us” narrative, and Hirohito is apparently one of the traitors. Maybe because he was secretly, y’know, _Korean_. I’m not sure how Japanese nationalism gets reconciled with ardent pro-Americanism, but Secret Plans are probably somehow involved. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/36 "2021-02-18T17:44:43Z")
JAnon! That is good. Do _they_ (ominous music!) call it that or is it your own derision? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/37 "2021-02-18T18:50:08Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > I know they believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Do any of them believe it didn’t happen? That the twin towers still stand? I believe the question is what events are accepted at face value, are accepted with the commonly acknowledged cause and result. The John Lennon killing is a great example. Aside from a single bizarro-land dude\*\* with a van, nobody believes that someone besides Mark David Chapman killed Lennon, nobody believes there was a sinister conspiracy to frame Chapman. \*\*according to that article, he called the guy who wrote Carrie, Salem’s Lot, The Shining The Dead Zone and Firestarter, who had two novels already made into movies “barely famous”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/38 "2021-02-18T18:53:32Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Take any two solipsists, and the entire universe is excluded What do you get when two solipsists meet up? _Nothing._ ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/39 "2021-02-18T18:57:14Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I ran across an interesting one a week or so ago. This was a conspiracy theory that the Apollo 11 mission did go to the Moon - but that all of the subsequent lunar missions were faked. The theory was that Apollo 11 found an abandoned alien base on the Moon so we were afraid to go back and possibility alert the aliens. But the government didn’t want to tip off the public by cancelling the already scheduled missions so they just faked them until they could shut down the Apollo program. This theory supposedly explains why we abandoned developing any space program further out than Earth’s orbit. I give them credit for originality. It even sorta hangs together; you can’t stop a bureaucratic juggernaut like Apollo on a dime, but you can wind it down over a couple years. Doesn’t mean I give it any marks for actual factuality. But it does make an entertaining yarn. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2021, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158/40 "2021-02-18T19:26:54Z")
I don’t know if it qualifies as a “big event” by the OP’s standards, but Watergate is widely accepted at face value. Sure, some people claimed that it wasn’t a big deal, or accepted Nixon’s claim of no prior knowledge. But I have yet to hear anyone say that the burglary was staged by the Democrats to bring down Nixon, or anything like that. If something like Watergate happened now, I’m certain we’d see people saying it was a false-flag operation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-biggest-event-that-is-accepted-by-all-conspiracy-theorists-at-face-value/933158.md?page=3)