# What is the Bob Seger song Fire Lake about? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 12, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419 "2011-10-12T13:59:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![67java89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/aeb1de/32.png) [@67java89](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/67java89)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/1 "2011-10-12T13:59:37Z")
Anyone want to take a crack at interpreting the meaning of this song? I like the song but I’m not sure I understand it. And what happened to Poor Uncle Joe anyway? ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/2 "2011-10-12T14:38:56Z")
There’s no story or clear narrative to the song, but I think the song is about chucking your boring old life, taking chances, and doing something exciting. The song seems to start off with an invitation to put on a leather jacket, hop on a motorcycle, hit the open road, and head to Fire Lake… a place where there are bronzed, beautiful girls for the taking. I’m not sure if Fire Lake is supposed to be a real place or just a dream of something better. Either way, Seger seems to be saying, “Quit playing it safe- take a gamble, and pursue your passions.” Uncle Joe was, I’m guessing, a timid, staid, married, middle-aged guy who got fed up with his life and decided to run off in search of the fun he’s never had (who’s gonna tell his wife?). In essence, I suppose the song is a lot like Springsteen’s “Hungry Heart.” ---
**Author:** ![67java89](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/6/aeb1de/32.png) [@67java89](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/67java89)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/3 "2011-10-12T15:27:52Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > There’s no story or clear narrative to the song, but I think the song is about chucking your boring old life, taking chances, and doing something exciting. The song seems to start off with an invitation to put on a leather jacket, hop on a motorcycle, hit the open road, and head to Fire Lake… a place where there are bronzed, beautiful girls for the taking. > > I’m not sure if Fire Lake is supposed to be a real place or just a dream of something better. Either way, Seger seems to be saying, “Quit playing it safe- take a gamble, and pursue your passions.” > > Uncle Joe was, I’m guessing, a timid, staid, married, middle-aged guy who got fed up with his life and decided to run off in search of the fun he’s never had (who’s gonna tell his wife?). > > In essence, I suppose the song is a lot like Springsteen’s “Hungry Heart.” Excellent interpretation! Now that I think about it, the lyrics seem to fit with what you said. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/4 "2011-10-13T14:33:18Z")
If it’s a Bob Seger song, isn’t it almost guaranteed to be about either a stripper or a whore? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/5 "2011-10-13T14:37:49Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > If it’s a Bob Seger song, isn’t it almost guaranteed to be about either a stripper or a whore? > > -Joe “Main Street” certainly is about a stripper. But “Old Time Rock & Roll”? “Turn the Page”? “Night Moves”? “Feel Like a Number”? “Making Thunderbirds”? Come on, Bob wrote about a LITTLE bit more than strippers. ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/6 "2011-10-13T18:18:48Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > But “Old Time Rock & Roll”? Set in a future where “records” have video on them as well. Hence why he’s listening to them “by myself”. He doesn’t like the new stripper named Tango, either. > [@](#): > > “Turn the Page”? Written from the perspective of a transvestite dancer who also turns tricks. What else could “ridin’ 16 hours” mean? > [@](#): > > “Night Moves”? A teenager who wants to be a stripper, but has been told her body’s not quite the right type learns from an older, more experienced woman. Not sure why they couldn’t find a better place to practice than the back seat of a car, though. > [@](#): > > “Feel Like a Number”? Imagines another dystopic future where whores have no identity, just numbers. Despite being a full citizen, he feels his life is almost similar to theirs (“work my back 'til it’s wracked with pain”). Somewhat ironically he seeks comfort for himself by turning to a whore (‘number’ being slang for the nameless whores). > [@](#): > > “Making Thunderbirds”? 1. They’re sexbots. The Fire Inside? Stripper with chlamydia. Against the Wind? Stripper who mimes. Her Strut? Stripper who daylights as a civil engineer. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Tildrum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e95f7d/32.png) [@Tom\_Tildrum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Tildrum)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/7 "2011-10-13T18:30:41Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > There’s no story or clear narrative to the song, but I think the song is about chucking your boring old life, taking chances, and doing something exciting. The song seems to start off with an invitation to put on a leather jacket, hop on a motorcycle, hit the open road, and head to Fire Lake… a place where there are bronzed, beautiful girls for the taking. > > I’m not sure if Fire Lake is supposed to be a real place or just a dream of something better. Either way, Seger seems to be saying, “Quit playing it safe- take a gamble, and pursue your passions.” I always tend to hear it as though he’s singing about Fire Island, which puts a different spin on the narrative. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/8 "2011-10-13T18:32:41Z")
> [@Tom\_Tildrum](#): > > I always tend to hear it as though he’s singing about Fire Island, which puts a different spin on the narrative. This is exactly what I came to say. Hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/9 "2011-10-13T19:04:02Z")
Now, the line about Uncle Joe being afraid to cut the cake makes no sense at all. I have to believe Seger just needed a line that ended in a word that rhymed with “Lake.” ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/10 "2011-10-13T19:06:51Z")
Cleveland in the seventies? ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2011, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/11 "2011-10-13T19:40:55Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > I’m not sure if Fire Lake is supposed to be a real place or just a dream of something better. Well, Fire Lake IS a real place in Michigan, in the Upper Peninsula. But yes, it might just be a metaphorical place in the song. ---
**Author:** ![RedBetty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@RedBetty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedBetty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/12 "2012-08-13T17:20:55Z")
n. ---
**Author:** ![RedBetty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@RedBetty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedBetty)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/13 "2012-08-13T17:24:38Z")
> [@panamajack](#): > > Set in a future where “records” have video on them as well. Hence why he’s listening to them “by myself”. He doesn’t like the new stripper named Tango, either. > > Written from the perspective of a transvestite dancer who also turns tricks. What else could “ridin’ 16 hours” mean? > > A teenager who wants to be a stripper, but has been told her body’s not quite the right type learns from an older, more experienced woman. Not sure why they couldn’t find a better place to practice than the back seat of a car, though. > > Imagines another dystopic future where whores have no identity, just numbers. Despite being a full citizen, he feels his life is almost similar to theirs (“work my back 'til it’s wracked with pain”). Somewhat ironically he seeks comfort for himself by turning to a whore (‘number’ being slang for the nameless whores). > > 1. They’re sexbots. > > The Fire Inside? Stripper with chlamydia. > Against the Wind? Stripper who mimes. > Her Strut? Stripper who daylights as a civil engineer. :smack: Joking right? ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/14 "2012-08-13T17:27:38Z")
I don’t know what it’s about, but it did signal the end of his creative output. ---
**Author:** ![Chicagojeff](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@Chicagojeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicagojeff)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/15 "2012-08-13T19:30:41Z")
> [@Docta\_G](#): > > I don’t know what it’s about, but it did signal the end of his creative output. I wouldn’t agree to that.. ‘Roll me Away’ came a couple of years after that.. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/16 "2012-08-13T20:08:00Z")
I always assumed that being “afraid to the cut the cake” described a disinclination to marry. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/17 "2012-08-14T13:36:40Z")
When you guys finish with this song, can you explain Neil Young’s _PowderFinger_? ---
**Author:** ![elmwood](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmwood/32/3060_2.png) [@elmwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elmwood)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/18 "2012-08-14T14:42:31Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > Cleveland in the seventies? I get a Rust Belt blue collar cottage country vibe from the song. When I was growing up in the 1970s, it seemed like every other auto plant or steel mill worker had a small cottage out in the boonies somewhere, many on a large pond (Silver Lake, Rushford Lake, Cuba Lake, etc), Chautauqua Lake, or Lake Erie. The white collar crowd vacationed in more exotic locations, while the blue collar Joes spent weekends at the lake. Bob Seger is from Detroit. Michigan is known for having perhaps the strongest blue collar “cottage culture” in the Great Lakes region. ---
**Author:** ![Nixon7](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a5b964/32.png) [@Nixon7](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nixon7)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/19 "2012-12-07T02:42:08Z")
Fire Lake is death. Afraid to cut the cake is a reference to the fear of death, as per the imperative to cut your birthday cake. Who’s gonna tell poor aunt Sarah is not that Joe is cheating but that Joe is dead. The bronzed beauties could be angels but they could be demons, and this fits the references to motorcycle gangs and gypsies, as both also represent this gnostic duality. They are sirens calling you to your death, but what awaits? This is the meaning of the song. I do sometimes wonder if the reference to Uncle Joe has anything to with Stalin, tho. He clearly had a strong fear of death, and Fire Lake is also a reference to the Apocalypse (this was a cold war era song, after all; where nuclear devastation was always 15 minutes away). ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2012, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419/20 "2012-12-07T15:11:46Z")
I always interpreted Fire Lake as a song about abandoning respectable middle class life for a life of gambling, whoring, drinking, drugs, motorcycle riding, lingerie football leagues and general debauchery. I don’t buy the Fire Lake/Fire Island thing, but I do think Uncle Joe could be a Fire Island-ish element … he was afraid to cut a wedding cake, in my interpretation (has elements of “Dare I eat a peach?” from Eliot’s Prufrock), which might be an indicator that he was not all that hetero, and thus that Uncle Joe might be cavorting with young men rather than young women, which adds poignancy to “Who’s gonna tell poor Aunt Sarah?” (Answer: every last gossip and busybody in town will be wrassling and fighting and tussling about to be the one to tell poor Aunt Sarah.) Now the death interpretation ties in nicely with the title of the song, after all, one of our popular Flying Spaghetti Monster mytholigizers (Milton) assures us that a lake of fire awaits many of us after death. However, Fire Lake also has echoes of the Vietnamese symbol for “conflict” and “war” which is the symbol for fire floating above the symbol for water. And that ties in with the names. When I heard “Uncle Joe” I thought of Uncle Joe from the Petticoat Junction TV series, not Joseph Stalin. I see Uncle Joe moving kind of slow, clearing out the savings account, getting a ring put in his ear, and buying a chopper and buzzing down to Vegas in his leathers to meet one of those long-legged beauties hes’ been fantasizing about for so long, having three of them buzzing about at the Junction. But of course, Uncle Joe is not the one who can save us from the horrible conflict symbolized by Fire Lake, that can only be Uncle Arnold. Not the pig from Petticoat Junction, that’s just silly. I mean Arnold Schwarzenegger, the king of imaginary conflicts. And that can only mean that “Aunt Sarah” is … Sarah Conner! Q.E.D., baby. Q-E-fucking-D. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-bob-seger-song-fire-lake-about/599419.md?page=2)