# What is the difference between art and craft? Questions about native Americans **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 21, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690 "2020-08-21T20:18:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/21 "2020-08-25T00:06:34Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > She should have just made her pottery pieces, then drilled holes in the bottom of all of them. > > (And perhaps plug the holes later if she wanted to keep them and use them.) Nope. A pot with a hole in the bottom is a plant pot. I had a ceramics teacher, once, who said that if she made a ceramic statue of a cat, she could sell it for several hundred dollars. But if she modified it into a cookie jar, it would sell for fifty bucks, tops. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/22 "2020-08-25T07:33:21Z")
No, he painted it for money. He also hid a giant “Fuck You” to Catholic doctrine in it, the very opposite of “giving life to the Bible”. So it is art - rebel art. ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/23 "2020-08-25T08:46:23Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > He also hid a giant “Fuck You” to Catholic doctrine in it, the very opposite of “giving life to the Bible” I think you’d find that difficult to justify. Michelangelo included humanist elements, but there was a strong thread of humanism within the Catholic church long before Michelangelo’s time. Several popes were humanists or sympathetic to humanism. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/24 "2020-08-25T08:54:07Z")
> [@GreenWyvern](#): > > > [@MrDibble](#): > > > > He also hid a giant “Fuck You” to Catholic doctrine in it, the very opposite of “giving life to the Bible” > > I think you’d find that difficult to justify. He hid a giant brain as God. That’s a little beyond “humanist elements”, and hardly Catholic dogma. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/25 "2020-08-25T09:21:10Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > He hid a giant brain as God. That’s a little beyond “humanist elements”, and hardly Catholic dogma. God isn’t supposed to be smart? (I know what you’re going for, I think - that he meant that God was the creation of the human mind, or that religion should be approached rationally, or that the mind contains a spark of the divine. They’re all valid theories, IMHO) ---
**Author:** ![GreenWyvern](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/greenwyvern/32/2834_2.png) [@GreenWyvern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreenWyvern)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/26 "2020-08-25T09:28:38Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > He hid a giant brain as God. We’re getting a bit off topic here, so I don’t want to get into a big discussion on this thread. But I don’t see how that is in conflict with Catholic belief, since man is said to be made in the image of God. Suk and Tamargo, who wrote the [paper](https://academic.oup.com/neurosurgery/article/66/5/851/2556584) pointing out the brain imagery in the _Separation of Light from Darkness_ panel, wrote [another paper](https://journals.uic.edu/ojs/index.php/jbc/article/view/9331/7506) arguing that the reason he did it was to incorporate Neoplatonic symbolism. Neoplatonism was a major influence on the Catholic Church from Augustine onwards, through the medieval period, and into the Renaissance. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690/27 "2020-08-25T10:01:52Z")
I _very carefully_ said “doctrine” & “dogma”, not “influence”. But you’re right that this is getting hijack-ish. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-art-and-craft-questions-about-native-americans/918690.md?page=1)