# What is the difference between BeatenMan and... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052 "2003-06-15T17:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/1 "2003-06-15T17:43:30Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?daysprune=&forumid=7](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/forumdisplay.php?daysprune=&forumid=7) > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BeatenMan_\*\* > I think the third swing is a home run and I will tell you why. We go to the middle east beat up their biggist bully make up some weak story why we did it. All of the muslim countries now are afraid we we invade them and know if America gets attacked again we will just make up another story go in and kill people and topple the government in power and take their oil or whatever. This is a very good incentive for the middle east governments to stop the terrorist plots against America. The average American knows Iraq was a message to the rest of middle east. Plus it is better in an election to be known for kicking too mush ass than not enough. \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BeatenMan_\*\* > The looney whim is the those we suspect want to attack the united states. If you play ball with the united states you have nothing to worry about. Say you have a banner at your airport that says “Death to America” you just might make the looney whim list. You are either with us or against us. If you are against us better watch out for that looney whim it just might come and get you. \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BeatenMan_\*\* > Genocide is a good reason not to nuke the USA with even a dirty bomb. That’s right a country that is insupport of a group hit New York with a dirty bomb I would nuke everything that walked of crawled the earth in every square inch of the attacking country. \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BeatenMan_\*\* > I would kill innocent people to protect the innocent people I am in charge of. Because more of them would be killed at a later date if I did nothing. And letting other countries know ahead of time what I would do would stop any of this from happening. \*\* > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by BeatenMan_\*\* > Genocide is a good reason not to nuke the USA with even a dirty bomb. That’s right a country that is insupport of a group hit New York with a dirty bomb I would nuke everything that walked of crawled the earth in every square inch of the attacking country. \*\* Let’s start with “what is the moral difference between BeatenMan and the Spetznatz?” (The Spetznatz dealt with hostage situations by capturing the families of the hostage-takers, and killing the children one by one while the children pleaded with their parents over the phone.) I’d say there is a big difference. Aside from the obvious matter of scale, the Spetznatz carried out such actions in response to deeds, while BeatenMan is willing to carry out atrocities in respose to mere words. So, moving right along, is there any moral difference between BeatenMan and Al-Qaeda? ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/2 "2003-06-15T17:57:33Z")
How about this: What is the difference between BeatenMan and Saddam Hussein? Iraq wants to flex some muscle, so it invades Kuwait, right? That’ll teach people not to mess with Iraq! ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/3 "2003-06-15T18:10:39Z")
Fix your link. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/4 "2003-06-15T18:11:44Z")
Erg, thanks: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=189647&pagenumber=3](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=189647&pagenumber=3) ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/5 "2003-06-15T20:11:25Z")
From the other thread: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*j i n g o, j i n g o, j i n g o and jingoism was my name O’ . > > If you value the enemy’s lives as much as you do the lives of our own country. We would loose every war fought and probably loose the freedom to post on the straight dope. \*\* BeatenMan, don’t you realize that there’s more to foreign policy than a simple dichotomy between “fuckwit” and “pussy”? ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/6 "2003-06-15T20:14:52Z")
Doesn’t the question, using “realize” as a verb, imply a certain cranial ability as of yet unproven in **BeatenMan** , **Ben**? Asking him to add a third color to his palette would be like asking a gorilla to memorize Virgil’s Pro Archia. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/7 "2003-06-15T20:30:22Z")
Oh now that I have time to look it looks like im getting my ass kicked. Well go ahead, if I am as dumb as you say I am it won hurt too much. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/8 "2003-06-15T20:32:57Z")
won’t ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/9 "2003-06-15T20:46:03Z")
I stand behind all of what I said and if you look at most polls most of America does agree with me. I think this is what has you bothered. ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/10 "2003-06-15T20:50:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*I stand behind all of what I said and if you look at most polls most of America does agree with me. \*\* Assumiong for the sake of argument that this is true… Most Americans were against getting into WWII to fight Hitler at one point. Popularity does not equal validity.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/11 "2003-06-15T21:07:57Z")
I respectfully disagree with your using Spetnaz as an example. Yes their tactics, while effective are very brutal, yet they are not as offensive as BeatenMan. granted, they too, respond to an assult with overwelming brutality. Spetnaz tend to focus against the threat and those with close ties to them. BM would prefer to retaliate against every single man woman and child who lived anywhere in a 300 mile radius from the terrorists house. With that attitude Tim McVays home state would be a huge fricking parking lot. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/12 "2003-06-15T21:10:58Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by SimonX \* > \*\*Assumiong for the sake of argument that this is true… > > Most Americans were against getting into WWII to fight Hitler at one point. > > Popularity does not equal validity.:rolleyes: \*\* Your right it wasn’t untill the USA was attacked by Japan that american’s realiZed hey this hitler guy might try to kill me next. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/13 "2003-06-15T21:12:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*I stand behind all of what I said and if you look at most polls most of America does agree with me. I think this is what has you bothered. \*\* Cite? Name even one poll which says that most of America is in favor of genocide. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/14 "2003-06-15T21:26:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*Your right it wasn’t untill the USA was attacked by Japan that american’s realiZed hey this hitler guy might try to kill me next. \*\* Your historical knowledge is on a par with your other demonstrated skills, **BM**. Point of fact, in one of the examples of strategic brilliance for which we may all be grateful, Hitler declared war on us, not the other way round. He didn’t have to, his alliance with Japan specificly excluded acts of aggression, he was only obligated to come to Japan’s aid if Japan were attacked. On the whole, I find you tiresome, pugnacious, and ignorant. Free Republic has a website I encourage you to visit, you will likely find it more congenial to your own level of political sophistication. You’re an Aggie, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/15 "2003-06-15T21:31:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Your right it wasn’t untill the USA was attacked by Japan that american’s realiZed hey this hitler guy might try to kill me next. > [@](#): > > Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/16 "2003-06-15T21:32:13Z")
If a government would let a terrorist get hold of a nuke and does nothing to stop it, that government is responcable and the people that support that government are to blame also. Let me put it even more simply. If we get nuked and don’t nuke back more of those nukes will keep comming. If a pole was taken that said: If we are nuked by who ever should we nuke back? You would find most people would want to nuke back. ---
**Author:** ![Melandry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Melandry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melandry)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/17 "2003-06-15T21:36:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*Doesn’t the question, using “realize” as a verb, imply a certain cranial ability as of yet unproven in **BeatenMan** , **Ben**? Asking him to add a third color to his palette would be like asking a gorilla to memorize Virgil’s Pro Archia. \*\* Quite a feat, especially since the _Pro Archia_ is a speech of Cicero. [/nitpicky classicist] ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/18 "2003-06-15T21:39:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Your historical knowledge is on a par with your other demonstrated skills, **BM**. > On the whole, I find you tiresome, pugnacious, and ignorant. Free Republic has a website I encourage you to visit, you will likely find it more congenial to your own level of political sophistication. > > You’re an Aggie, aren’t you? \*\* Boy is this guy mean or what? ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/19 "2003-06-15T21:44:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*If a government would let a terrorist get hold of a nuke and does nothing to stop it, that government is responcable and the people that support that government are to blame also. \*\* So the Iraqi people are responsible for Saddam’s actions? Don’t change the subject, BeatenMan. The question is, should we lay waste to the innocent people of Iraq in an act of total nuclear genocide in relatiation for actions by Saddam which they would have had no control over? And your answer is yes. > [@](#): > > \*\* > Let me put it even more simply. If we get nuked and don’t nuke back more of those nukes will keep comming. \*\* Don’t weasel. If Saddam set off a dirty bomb and we reduced Iraq to radioactive rubble, pretty much every nuclear power on earth would be deciding whether to pre-emptively nuke the USA before things spun further out of control. If Iraq set off a dirty bomb in NYC, the appropriate response would be to attack Iraq with conventional forces in order to get Saddam with as little damage as possible to civilians. > [@](#): > > \*\* > If a pole was taken that said: If we are nuked by who ever should we nuke back? You would find most people would want to nuke back. \*\* More weaselling. You said that most polls support what you said. What you said is that genocide against the Iraqi people is an appropriate response to a dirty bomb set off by Saddam in NYC. So go ahead. Since most polls have, as you claim, already found what people believe on the subject, surely it wouldn’t be too hard for you to cite one or two? ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2003, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/20 "2003-06-15T21:44:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Melandry \* > \*\*Quite a feat, especially since the _Pro Archia_ is a speech of Cicero. [/nitpicky classicist] \*\* Im still working on my new cell phone number. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052.md?page=2)