# What is the difference between BeatenMan and... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2003, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052 "2003-06-15T17:43:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/41 "2003-06-23T01:13:12Z")
**Read\_neck** , why should we wonder about what goes through a homicide bomber’s mind before he lights up? We can go **ask** him. ---
**Author:** ![Read\_Neck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19b73/32.png) [@Read\_Neck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Read_Neck)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/42 "2003-06-23T15:50:10Z")
Not a successfull one you can’t. “The difference between ‘involvement’ and ‘commitment’ is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was ‘involved’ - the pig was ‘committed’.” ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/43 "2003-06-23T16:23:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Read\_Neck \* > \*\*That’s according to which side of the fence you’re on. Isn’t it? Do you ever wonder what goes through a homicide bombers mind just before he “lights up”? Do they think they’re commiting genocide? What about the hijackers on 9/11? \*\* Do you think they’re committing genocide? What about blowing up a disco- does your moral relativism encompass that, too? > [@](#): > > \*\* > This is a dedicated bunch. They don’t want your house,car or even your IRA plan. They want your life and if given a chance they’ll gladly take it. \*\* So? > [@](#): > > \*\* > PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!! > > Nowhere in this post did I advocate killing all Muslims because of their faith. That argument is too stupid to deserve a response and it’s getting really old. \*\* That’s a cop-out. In this particular case, killing all Muslims isn’t an effective means of defense. What about BeatenMan’s contingency plan to nuke Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2003, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/44 "2003-06-23T22:51:49Z")
Look, a homicide bomber is someone who commits homicide by using bombs. Like, say, Ted Kasynski. Or Tim McVeigh. Both commited homocide using bombs. You could ask a homocide bomber what went through their mind after they set off their bombs, since they are usually alive afterwards. But there is another kind of person who uses bombs to kill other people, but with a twist…the bomber also dies. You might say that these bombers commit “suicide” while carrying out their “bomb” attacks. So wouldn’t it be fair to call those people “suicide bombers”? Just to distinguish them, if neccesary, from plain old regular bombers? ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/45 "2003-06-30T23:22:51Z")
Man did I ever get my ass kicked. Sorry about the towel thing. However many so called mainstream religious arab muslims make comments about the way we dress and compare it to pure evil. I simply mentioned people who wear turbans, can I say turban I bet somebody will be mad if I say turban. People just love to be offended, it’s the cool thing to do. If I call the founding fathers “big wigs” because they wore powdered wigs I wonder if I will get kicked off. Probably not because all western men are greety and evil and hating them and calling them names is ok. 60’s communistic feelings are still alive and well on the straight dope. Hate america first and love your enemies who wish you dead. This is an enlightend view. And I am some dope who just doesn’t get it. You may have guessed I have been programmed by Rush Limbaugh. This is reason enough to kick me off the boards. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/46 "2003-06-30T23:51:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > 60’s communistic feelings are still alive and well on the straight dope. Hate america first and love your enemies who wish you dead. This is an enlightend view. Oh, gad, not _another_ rerun of the “I am the sole freedom-loving America in the evil, Commie-loving den of darkness known as the SDMB” again. :rolleyes: Sorry, pal – nailing your hand to your forehead might get lots of laughs at Free Republic, but it doesn’t fly here. It’s rather obvious you _still_ don’t get it, do you? ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2003, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/47 "2003-06-30T23:53:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \*\*Born and raised in Waco. Quiet little town, you never heard of it, nothing ever happens there. \*\* Dr. Pepper was invented there. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/48 "2003-07-01T01:08:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > **can I say turban I bet somebody will be mad if I say turban. People just love to be offended, it’s the cool thing to do. If I call the founding fathers “big wigs” because they wore powdered wigs I wonder if I will get kicked off.** A more appropriate comparison would be labeling all blacks as “crooked niggers”. Towel head is a deragatory term. ---
**Author:** ![froggg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8797f3/32.png) [@froggg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/froggg)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/49 "2003-07-01T01:48:26Z")
> [@](#): > > Sorry, pal – nailing your hand to your forehead might get lots of laughs at Free Republic, but it doesn’t fly here. > > It’s rather obvious you still don’t get it, do you? **rjung** that has made my day. On a side note, having lived in the Middle East, I’ve gotta say the whole get up they have there is extremely comfortable, not to mention, practical. When i’m out there in the 50+ degree heat I know what i’m going to be wearing, and it’s not blue denim. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/50 "2003-07-01T02:46:41Z")
BeatenMan, I have two questions I would like to ask, in the hope of understanding your enlightened (not to mention virile) viewpoint better. 1.) When the WMD’s failed to show up, a number of people started falling back on the idea that we had to depose Saddam Hussein in order to free the innocent Iraqi people from his despotic yoke. Since you believe that the Iraqis are either a) not innocent, but are instead complicit in Saddam’s actions, or b) mere pawns in the game of kings, what do you think of the argument that we had to free them from Saddam? 2.) Let’s get rid of the “Nintendo war” element of a nuclear strike on Iraq, and deal with pure death, up close and personal. No pushbutton, couch-potato warriors here! Suppose Saddam set off a dirty bomb in NYC. Rather than retaliate with nuclear weapons, we can saturate the country with some sort of muscle relaxant that leaves people completely conscious, fully able to feel pain, but unable to resist. Your duty is to go through Baghdad killing all the babies you can find, by pouring gasoline on them and burning them to death. Other brave soldiers will take care of the adults. Alternatively, let’s suppose you have a more merciful option: you can pick up each baby in turn, grasp its round, bald head in your palm, and- _crack_ -snap its neck with one short, sharp twist. Do you kill the babies, or not? ---
**Author:** ![SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@SpaceGhostofArrakis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpaceGhostofArrakis)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2003, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/51 "2003-07-01T02:56:44Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elucidator \* > \ > You’re an Aggie, aren’t you? Hey! :mad: ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/52 "2003-07-02T02:29:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > \*\*BeatenMan, I have two questions I would like to ask, in the hope of understanding your enlightened (not to mention virile) viewpoint better. > Please go ahead and insult me after all this is the roast beaten man post. > 1.) When the WMD’s failed to show up, a number of people started falling back on the idea that we had to depose Saddam Hussein in order to free the innocent Iraqi people from his despotic yoke. > If saddam had disposed of his weapons according to the U.N. in stead of just getting rid of them we would not be in the situation we are in now. Clinton launched dessert fox in 98 to try and destroy his WMD’s most other countries believed he had them for a very long time. Bush thought saddam had them too. Hind sight is 20 20. > > Since you believe that the Iraqis are either a) not innocent, but are instead complicit in Saddam’s actions, or b) mere pawns in the game of kings, what do you think of the argument that we had to free them from Saddam? > I think b) choice is what I agree with. This is a game of Kings. I feel with the help of the USA less people this year will in Iraq because of food and medicine. > > 2.) Let’s get rid of the “Nintendo war” element of a nuclear strike on Iraq, and deal with pure death, up close and personal. No pushbutton, couch-potato warriors here! Suppose Saddam set off a dirty bomb in NYC. Rather than retaliate with nuclear weapons, we can saturate the country with some sort of muscle relaxant that leaves people completely conscious, fully able to feel pain, but unable to resist. Your duty is to go through Baghdad killing all the babies you can find, by pouring gasoline on them and burning them to death. Other brave soldiers will take care of the adults. Alternatively, let’s suppose you have a more merciful option: you can pick up each baby in turn, grasp its round, bald head in your palm, and- _crack_ -snap its neck with one short, sharp twist. > > Do you kill the babies, or not? \*\* If a country that is hostile to the usa and thinks it is ok for terroists to kill our babies with terrorist attacks or dirty nukes or nukes needs to know ahead of time we will kill every last one of their babies if they attack us first. War is awfull and babies will die. If I was ordered to kill babies with my bare hands in Iraq I don’t know what I would do. If I am a tool of war personal decisions do not come into play. War is awfull. It would make me awfull too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/53 "2003-07-02T02:34:53Z")
OH god, are you related to **Wildest Bill**? \*please note, I’m NOT saying he’s Bill. Just that he’s in the same vein. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/54 "2003-07-02T02:42:41Z")
> [@](#): > > And the babies lie there in a pile > And the adults they come after awhile > And they always pass by > all the babies that cry > Take only babies that smile, smile > Take only babies that smile > Even triplets and twins if they’ll smile! [Dammit, get it out of my **HEAD**!](http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/SongUnid/DD5B32DB9D13BCF048256BF4000E9121) ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/55 "2003-07-02T02:55:47Z")
> [@](#): > > If a country that is hostile to the usa and thinks it is ok for terroists to kill our babies with terrorist attacks or dirty nukes or nukes needs to know ahead of time we will kill every last one of their babies if they attack us first. BeatenMan, you seem to be totally unable to make a distinction between the leadership of a nation and its populace as a whole. The kind of people who would approve such action against America would not give a flying fuck if we killed ever god damn person in their country, except for themselves. It’s irresponsible, immoral, terroristic, disgusting, and just plain wrong to slaughter innocent people. That would only fuel more hate and thus more violence against America, and bring us down to their level. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/56 "2003-07-02T03:00:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*If a country that is hostile to the usa and thinks it is ok for terroists to kill our babies with terrorist attacks or dirty nukes or nukes needs to know ahead of time we will kill every last one of their babies if they attack us first. War is awfull and babies will die. If I was ordered to kill babies with my bare hands in Iraq I don’t know what I would do. If I am a tool of war personal decisions do not come into play. War is awfull. It would make me awfull too. \*\* You didn’t answer question #1. As for your reluctance, I find your behavior shameful. You go on and on about how unamerican it is for us to not wholeheartedly support genocide, but you yourself only support it so long as it can be done as a pushbutton, couch-potato war by someone else? You’re no better than draft dodgers like Bush and Quayle. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/57 "2003-07-02T03:19:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by appletreats \* > \*\*BeatenMan, you seem to be totally unable to make a distinction between the leadership of a nation and its populace as a whole. The kind of people who would approve such action against America would not give a flying fuck if we killed ever god damn person in their country, except for themselves. It’s irresponsible, immoral, terroristic, disgusting, and just plain wrong to slaughter innocent people. That would only fuel more hate and thus more violence against America, and bring us down to their level. \*\* Which worked better against the bully at school A) OR B). a) Yes, mister bully I really admire you and I think we could be freinds if you would only stop slapping me in the head when I am not looking. owww you are not being much help with our dialog. Also I would really like your freinds if they would stop hitting me. It is if they starting hitting me when they saw you do it. B) You might think it’s fun to pick on me because of my dorky clothes but next time you touch me I am going to wrestle you to the ground and stick my pocket knife in your eye. I may get hurt doing it but I cannot live in fear any longer. I would rather die. The same goes for your freinds. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/58 "2003-07-02T03:28:20Z")
If you tried A you would get your ass kicked. If you tried B, you would be sent to jail. Luckily, we are talking about the real world, and this is not the black and white issue you insist on making it. ---
**Author:** ![cheddarsnax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@cheddarsnax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cheddarsnax)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/59 "2003-07-02T03:30:44Z")
Consider this, BeatenMan. You are an Iraqi citizen. You have no say in your government’s actions, and Saddam Hussein does not give a shit whether you live or die. He could not possibly care less. One day, Saddam blows up the Sears Tower. In retaliation, the United States kills Saddam and also knowingly kills you and your family, despite the fact that you are completely innocent. Is this an acceptable scenario for you? Because this is what you are proposing. ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2003, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052/60 "2003-07-02T03:35:07Z")
I stabbed the guy in the arm not in the eye and yes it worked like a charm. He thought I was crazy and stayed away from me. He knew he was being an asshole and didn’t report it to the police. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-difference-between-beatenman-and/182052.md?page=4)