# What is the English word for a human with a naturally occurring vagina? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 18, 2021, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861 "2021-09-18T08:10:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/182 "2021-09-26T22:07:02Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Just give me that same leeway. > > I would ask you, specifically @puzzlegal, am I a trans phobe? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/L0MK7qz13bU/maxresdefault.jpg "FROZEN | Let It Go Sing-along | Official Disney UK") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0MK7qz13bU) ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/183 "2021-09-26T22:16:33Z")
I would appreciate your sentences on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/184 "2021-09-26T22:19:20Z")
You’ve heard the sentences on the subject already, and yet you still insist that if a concept cannot be reduced to a single word, then that concept is faulty. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/185 "2021-09-26T22:41:04Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Just give me that same leeway. > > I would ask you, specifically @puzzlegal, am I a trans phobe? I don’t know. Are you? In all seriousness, I observe that many people go through a phase of… trans-discomfort when they first engage with the idea of transpeople. I suspect you are among them, based on your posting on the SDMB. Most people move on, however, and i think you likely will do so. Best wishes. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/186 "2021-09-26T22:58:06Z")
@puzzlegal, I apologize for dragging you into another thread. @Czarcasm, I apologize for dragging you into another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/187 "2021-09-28T00:51:34Z")
I just want to remind everyone that the OP and I had this exchange just over a week ago: > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > You keep saying things like “God help you if you use the wrong terminology” and referring to the “strong opinions” of those who defend the use of gender-neutral language. Can you quote an example of what you’re talking about? Because what I’m seeing is not the pro-neutral-language folks getting all “worked up,” but rather calmly addressing the hysterical tilting at windmills by those who can’t stand the idea of ANYONE saying “pregnant people” instead of “women.” Mostly, they’re saying, “OK, you can say ‘women’ if you want. Here’s why I say something different.” > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > My point is that nobody gets pedantic, or accuses people of using the wrong terminology, in a thread about “women” and their menstrual routine. > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > But where ARE people getting pedantic? > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Here. > > you don’t think pro trans posters in this very thread aren’t disagreeing on the English word for human with a naturally occurring vagina? > [@Esprise\_Me](#): > > Why can’t you quote them? OP never responded and peaced out of the thread, which carried on for a few more days and then went quiet. Then it was revived by a new poster, and the OP jumped back in. At no point has anyone called OP transphobic, despite OP’s having asked people directly, and yet here OP is again mischarachterizing the opposition, claiming > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > But any attempt to suggest “there is a difference between the two” makes one a transphobic. And asking > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > why am a trans phobe for agreeing with you? And implying it’s everyone else getting “worked up”: > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Do you get all worked up about other threads where they use gendered pronouns? And even offering to pay $100 if someone will go into another thread and call people transphobic, as if that’s what’s been done to OP: > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > I will donate 100 dollars to the charity of your choice if you pop into: > > # [Do women wear pads and tampons all the time, or only during menstruation, or what?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-women-wear-pads-and-tampons-all-the-time-or-only-during-menstruation-or-what/946996) > > And accuse everyone being being homophobic for not using the correct terminology. Just in case anyone thought OP was engaging in good faith here. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/188 "2021-09-28T22:42:21Z")
> [@Why are you pro choice or pro life?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-you-pro-choice-or-pro-life/949904): > > I am pro choice because… The pro-life movement is built on lying and twisting the emotions of others. The pro-life movement is built on the use of religious dogma to control the lives of others. The pro-life movement is built on the idea that women cannot and should not be permitted anything but punishment if they don’t engage in the “right kind” of sex life, ignoring the idea that people can make mistakes, be raped, be molested, or that circumstance plays a role in outcomes. The pro-life mo… Another thread just chock full of gendered language. There is no debate, no insults hurled that every poster who uses the term “woman” or “woman’s reproductive rights”. In that thread, it is assumed that “human that can get pregnant” means a woman. In this thread, that would be trans phobic. I am just asking for some consistency. Including from the overlapping posters to both threads. . ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/189 "2021-09-28T22:48:38Z")
Conversational context is what you seem to be missing in this case. This thread elevates the awareness of misgendering right from the title. The other thread is not really in the same realm. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/190 "2021-09-28T23:06:37Z")
Would a man who menstruates or a man who had an abortion feel the “inclusiveness” of the language used in either of the threads I have linked to? Do those threads live up to the stated goals of the SDMB? “Context” shouldn’t matter. In a thread about trans issues, you gotta walk a fine line. As long as it just “normal” conversation, well, use all the gendered terms you want. > [@What\_Exit](#): > > The other thread is not really in the same realm. When it is in the same realm, maybe we will be more inclusive. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/191 "2021-09-28T23:08:05Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > “Context” shouldn’t matter. What species are you discussing here? With humans, context always matters. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/192 "2021-09-28T23:08:21Z")
What the hell is your point? ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/193 "2021-09-28T23:09:18Z")
men have abortions is my point ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/194 "2021-09-28T23:09:41Z")
So what? ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/195 "2021-09-28T23:10:04Z")
we can use gendered non-inclusive language depending on context? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/196 "2021-09-28T23:24:04Z")
We can and we do. Or are you asking _if we **may**?_ Which is again affirmative. Of course, now you are welcome to worry about _correctly identifying the context…_ ---
**Author:** ![Esprise\_Me](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprise_me/32/2947_2.png) [@Esprise\_Me](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprise_Me)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/197 "2021-09-28T23:29:48Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Another thread just chock full of gendered language. > > There is no debate, no insults hurled that every poster who uses the term “woman” or “woman’s reproductive rights”. Again, please quote these phantom insults you insinuate are being hurled in other threads. (I know you won’t because they don’t exist, but I’m not going to let this slide without pointing it out. Again.) ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/198 "2021-09-28T23:36:54Z")
Though it’s been a long rough road, and we haven’t reached the goal, hopefully we’ve created an environment inclusive and civil enough that they’d speak up. And we’d take note and adjust. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/199 "2021-09-28T23:37:47Z")
There are no insults hurled in the other threads. That’s my point. Nobody is hurling insults about people saying women menstruate or women have abortions. Nobody gets all worked about genitals in those threads. Why do you get worked up up genitals in this thread? Oh wait. “Context”…we can use non inclusive language in one thread but not another. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/200 "2021-09-28T23:41:38Z")
Who is getting worked up about genitals in this thread? Cite, please. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/201 "2021-09-28T23:41:49Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Why do you get worked up up genitals in this thread? This thread that mentions genitals in the title? Come the fucking fuck on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861.md?page=11)