# What is the English word for a human with a naturally occurring vagina? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [September 18, 2021, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861 "2021-09-18T08:10:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/122 "2021-09-26T18:06:47Z")
Different question: I’m getting a notification that I have a response from “Oscar” but it directs me to **Somethingwitty1**. Anyone know why that is? Did SW1 perchance change their username and the system hasn’t completely caught up? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/123 "2021-09-26T18:09:11Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > Different question: I’m getting a notification that I have a response from “Oscar” but it directs me to **Somethingwitty1**. Anyone know why that is? Did SW1 perchance change their username and the system hasn’t completely caught up?  Click Somethingwitty’s username on any post, and you’ll see that they have Oscar listed as their “human name”. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/124 "2021-09-26T18:10:56Z")
My name is Oscar. Weird I usually get notifications from peoples user names. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/125 "2021-09-26T18:11:59Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > I am in no way trans phobic. I will use whatever word my fellow human wants. > > But the above quotes are gets my pedantic/semantic goat up. > > Cisgendered and transgendered still divides people into “biological male” or “not biological male” > > If I understand some of the vitriol directed my way, I’m an idiot for even worrying about what reproductive organ people have. And I should be ashamed of myself for even thinking there is a difference or importance to biological differences. > > But cisgendered and transgendered do just that. Buddy. Your sample need was for a word to replace the quotes in: > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Heys guys, I met a really nice “born anatomically female” today. we are going out tomorrow. As I said before, _you don’t need a word for that_. Mostly if you’re going on a date the word you need is “person,” but you may need a word for gender expression (“man” or “woman”) if that’s important to you. You might even, depending on context, need a word to describe your date’s gender expression _in relationship to their genitals_, although that should be rare. We have words for “gender expression female, female genitals” and “gender expression male, female genitals.” But you NEVER need a word to say, "I’m going on a date with someone, their gender is unimportant, _but let me tell you about their crotch!"_ All your denials about how you’re super not transphobic aren’t really here or there, as long as you’re insisting you need a word that tells nothing about a person except what’s in their undies. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/126 "2021-09-26T18:13:03Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > My name is Oscar. Weird I usually get notifications from peoples user names.  I think the default is human name == user name. Unless someone has changed it in their profile (profile \>\> preferences \>\> account \>\> name box at the bottom), you’ll see their username for both. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/127 "2021-09-26T18:15:46Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > But cisgendered and transgendered do just that. Not really. Cisgendered means you were assigned a gender at birth that seems to correspond to your genitalia, and you have no problem with it, all is in congruence as far as you’re concerned. Note that this might actually be in conflict with your genetic sex assignment. Transgendered means you were assigned a gender at birth that, while it might seem to correspond to your genitalia, is actually NOT correct and you don’t agree with it. Your assigned gender and your own internal gender identity are NOT in congruence. Note that intersexed persons occur naturally in about 1 in every 2500 births so trying to assign gender at birth based on apparent genitalia is a mug’s game and even a doctor can be quite mistaken if they don’t do any DNA testing to figure out what the apparent gender assignment from birth “ought” to be. And at no time aside from deciding whether or not to have sex and/or coparent with someone else is the state of your genitalia actually germane to, well, anything. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/128 "2021-09-26T18:20:22Z")
So is sex, or genitals at birth, different from gender? I feel like I’m 99% agreeing with people but we aren’t quite on the same page. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/129 "2021-09-26T18:27:49Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > So is sex, or genitals at birth, different from gender? Yes. Sex is what you were assigned at birth based on your genitalia. Gender is more of a social construct decided on by the individual. Some prefer assigned sex to just sex, and it’s not 100% universal, but in general, yes, sex and gender are different. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/130 "2021-09-26T18:29:29Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > Some prefer assigned sex to just sex, and it’s not 100% universal, but in general, yes, sex and gender are different. Thats all I’m saying. The terminology we use isn’t consistent. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/131 "2021-09-26T18:35:29Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > > [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > > > Some prefer assigned sex to just sex, and it’s not 100% universal, but in general, yes, sex and gender are different. > > Thats all I’m saying. The terminology we use isn’t consistent. I understand that, and I think most of the heat you’re getting here comes from the really bad example you used: > [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > “Heys guys, I met a really nice “born anatomically female” today. we are going out tomorrow.” Unless there’s a really good reason to do otherwise, almost everyone would just say “man” or “woman” or “guy” or “lady” there. What assumptions are made about that would be inferred by your dating history and the people you’re talking to. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/132 "2021-09-26T18:49:47Z")
Well OK I do think a lot of the heat I’m getting is because it was initially assumed I was a trans phobe. And maybe I should have worded things better. But hardly anyone agrees with anyone else ( not alone me). Which only strengthens my conviction that we don’t know or even have come close to agreeing on what words to use. As someone for whom trans issues aren’t my primary concern, I’d like to use the proper terms, but its confusing. And frankly this thread hasn’t helped much. Ardent Pro Trans people don’t agree. So what chance do I have? ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/133 "2021-09-26T19:16:05Z")
# [Do women wear pads and tampons all the time, or only during menstruation, or what?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-women-wear-pads-and-tampons-all-the-time-or-only-during-menstruation-or-what/946996) Did anyone who has disagreed with in this thread, feel the need to correct the OP or any other poster in this thread? Or did you just accept the colloquial usage of the terms women, girls, females. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/134 "2021-09-26T19:20:17Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > Did anyone who has disagreed with in this thread, feel the need to correct the OP or any other poster in this thread? Or did you just accept the colloquial usage of the terms women, girls, females. Again, context is key. Women and menstruation used together clarifies. You could argue that not all women menstruate or that some non-women menstruate, but in most cases, I’d say that that’s splitting unnecessary hairs. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/135 "2021-09-26T19:20:46Z")
Trans women are women, but trans women are not cis women. Acknowledging this difference is not transphobic, and I’m unaware of any sentiment otherwise within the community of trans people or trans allies. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/136 "2021-09-26T19:23:06Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Trans women are women, but trans women are not cis women What is the difference? Why are there two different types of women? And why am a trans phobe for agreeing with you? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/137 "2021-09-26T19:29:59Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > What is the difference? In my understanding, trans women are women who were not assigned female at birth (and/or women whose gender identity does not match their assigned/biological sex). Cis women are women who were assigned female at birth (and/or women whose gender identity does match their assigned/biological sex). > [@](#): > > Why are there two different types of women? There are countless “types” of women. > [@](#): > > And why am a trans phobe for agreeing with you? Who says you are? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/138 "2021-09-26T19:33:39Z")
> [@Somethingwitty1](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > Trans women are women, but trans women are not cis women > > What is the difference? Why are there two different types of women? Because some women face great struggles in a male-dominated world. And some women face even greater struggles in a cis-dominated world. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/139 "2021-09-26T19:44:45Z")
Everybody who has responded to this thread… Are cis-woman and Tran-woman the same thing, and if so, why do you use 2 different words for them? ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/140 "2021-09-26T19:44:48Z")
The OP can correct me if I’m wrong (by explaining their actual motivation), but their posts in this thread feel like an attempt to lead up to a “gotcha!” whereby people with tolerant/progressive views on sex and gender can be called out for inconsistency - as in, we might concede “it’s okay to ask whether women approach menstruation in such-and-such a way,” because context helps sort what is meant by women, but we then might insist on referring to pregnant “people” rather than pregnant “women” in a different context. I guess that could be considered inconsistent, but let’s face it - on a societal level, terminology and attitudes are in flux right now. Inconsistencies will arise. Seeking out those inconsistencies merely in order to triumphantly call out people who are just trying to be inclusive and accepting is not a worthy endeavor. Yes, it’s possible to find some inconsistencies. And? What matters is that we find ways to treat all people with respect. If people are being damaged by certain types of language, then by all means we want to fix that language. Obsessing on carefully teased out inconsistencies for no reason except to complain doesn’t make sense. ---
**Author:** ![Somethingwitty1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/somethingwitty1/32/8899_2.png) [@Somethingwitty1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Somethingwitty1)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2021, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861/141 "2021-09-26T19:45:56Z")
> [@CairoCarol](#): > > I guess that could be considered inconsistent That’s all I want to hear. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-english-word-for-a-human-with-a-naturally-occurring-vagina/950861.md?page=8)