# What is the Import of Mike Johnson's Win as Speaker of the House? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [October 25, 2023, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097 "2023-10-25T18:20:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/121 "2023-11-03T02:01:37Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The politics in this country are so pathetic, and antithetical to that which is good and just, that I’d just like to give the whole thing up, and let the moronic fucking electorate have their way. > When Democrats are voting for this ridiculous bullshit, the whole thing is thoroughly and irredeemably fucked. Is it possible that the Democrats who voted for it are figuring that it won’t end up going anywhere? If so, is it possible that they’re figuring correctly? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/122 "2023-11-03T02:27:00Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Is it possible that the Democrats who voted for it are figuring that it won’t end up going anywhere? If so, is it possible that they’re figuring correctly? Well, yes. The bill will almost surely be different out of conference, and then there will be a final vote. If not transformed into a bill mostly aiding Ukraine, [Biden will veto](https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4290358-biden-would-veto-any-israel-only-aid-bill-white-house-says/). If all twelve House Democrats, who voted yes, had voted no, it still would have passed. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 11:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/123 "2023-11-03T11:45:14Z")
If they vote for it, they’re voting for the IRS budget getting cut and the rich keeping more money. If they vote against it, they’re voting against helping Israel. It’s a real “no-upside” attack, which is why MAGA Mike chose to use it. Can’t blame them for wanting to keep their seats and maintain the Democratic numbers. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/124 "2023-11-03T12:19:31Z")
I’d like to see Dems playhardball with these maga idiots. Let them know that if bullshit is presented, it won’t be supported. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/125 "2023-11-03T12:22:08Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > If they vote for it, they’re voting for the IRS budget getting cut and the rich keeping more money. If they vote against it, they’re voting against helping Israel. I would love it if, some day, a large majority of voters would stop falling for such obvious gamesmanship, but alas, that day is probably not today. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/126 "2023-11-03T12:24:58Z")
Yeah, it’s partly because people won’t hear the message as to _why_ they voted that way. It doesn’t always get through to people who aren’t paying attention (through no fault of their own in many cases). ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/127 "2023-11-03T13:30:00Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > The Democratic spineless wonders had better be there at the inauguration fawning over him Pence-style. I don’t support this particular bill, either, but to be clear: it was going to pass without Dem votes anyway, so it’s not like these folks pushed it over the line. ---
**Author:** ![Dandan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@Dandan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dandan)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/128 "2023-11-03T18:46:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If all twelve House Democrats, who voted yes, had voted no, it still would have passed. Performative BS, unlike anything the GOoPers do. Dan ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/129 "2023-11-03T19:19:53Z")
How much of a IRS budget cut were they proposing? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/130 "2023-11-03T19:21:16Z")
> [@ShadowFacts](#): > > …it was going to pass without Dem votes anyway, > … That’s how it should have gone. If the Republicans wanted a bill that would only fund Israel, then they should have written one that only did that. For any Democrat to have supported what Republicans did write is everything I hate about politics. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/131 "2023-11-03T19:21:52Z")
14 bil, the same as Israel was getting, so “It wouldn’t cost anything” and the wealthy could cheat on their income taxes more easily. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/132 "2023-11-03T19:27:56Z")
Every dollar spent on the iRS is returned something like 5 times, iirc. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/133 "2023-11-03T19:30:55Z")
Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/134 "2023-11-03T19:32:06Z")
And Mike Johnson made fun of the CBO for saying that cutting the IRS budget would increase the deficit. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/135 "2023-11-03T19:33:11Z")
What’s the syndrome or term for people promoted beyond their level of competence? ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/136 "2023-11-03T19:37:32Z")
I’m not sure there is one. Perhaps we should coin one. I suggest the Johnson Principle. It’s got a ring to it. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/137 "2023-11-03T19:41:23Z")
The Peter Principle, but Johnson Principle does indeed have a ring to it. I suggest we change Peter to Johnson. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/138 "2023-11-03T19:42:28Z")
Peter and Johnson are synonyms, no? ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/139 "2023-11-03T19:43:51Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > The Peter Principle Peter Principle postulates that people get promoted **to** their level of incompetence. Johnson Principle rises above and beyond. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2023, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-import-of-mike-johnsons-win-as-speaker-of-the-house/992097/140 "2023-11-03T19:43:58Z")
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