# What is the Judeo-Christian God's place in the Comics pantheon vs the other "Gods"? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 30, 2003, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850 "2003-07-30T05:29:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2003, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/21 "2003-07-31T21:20:51Z")
I’m sure Nightcrawler COULD use a crucifix, but this was quite a few years ago and I’m pretty sure it was Kitty Pride and the Star of David. Maybe I can find the actual issue… ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2003, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/22 "2003-07-31T21:39:57Z")
No, Kitty was able to fend him off with a Star of David as well. The thing is, they’re the same God, technically, so either one should work. Joseph Michael Lynsner’s **Dawn** storylines deal heavily with God. In his mythos, he commonly refers to him as Ahura Mazda (the name of the first recorded male God), but makes specific reference that he is indeed God (Adonai, Jahwe, Allah, etc, etc). The most you see of Heaven is the outside, but the inside is supposed to be a paradise. God, though, is a stickler for rules and regulations and is symbolised by chains; they hold things together and keep order. The tale of Lucifer’s fall from Grace deals with Lucifer taking God’s commandment to watch over mankind to mean “Put humanity over Me,” and because Lucifer loved God so much, he refused…and was thusly cast out of Heaven for breaking the rules. Ahura Mazda plays a big part in two of the three **Dawn** series, but seeing as how only the first issue of the third is out, I’m sure he’ll show up again. Mainly, though, he just shows up to order Dawn around, and then bitch when she decides to do her own thing. Last we saw of him, he’d just kicked Lucifer out of Heaven again, and got his hand cut off by Dawn and turned into a halo for “the Abomination,” some odd creature that safeguards the doorways to other worlds. In Marvel, there have been a couple of times where Wolverine’s bit the dust and been visited by an angel that’s sent him back to life, so I think it’s pretty safe to say He exists in the Marvel universe, but He doesn’t seem to have that much of an active roll (kinda like in real life). I’m not sure about most of Image comic’s, most of their stuff seems to exist on separate planes. There’s the ever famous **Savage Dragon’s** “Don’t F\*#K With God!!” issue, where God goes to Hell and kicks Satan’s ass in order to save Dragon’s Soul. Spawn constantly deals with Heaven and angels, but I’m not quite sure how God sits in the hole thing. I know Hell has plenty of rulers, and at some point, I recall seeing a “Supreme Being of Heaven” that looked like a little old lady, but I don’t know if that was supposed to be the Big Guy or not (anyone else know?). In **The Authority** , one of the characters is known as “The Doctor” and is some type of shaman that is somehow tied into the lifeforce of the planet. Once one dies, another is awaken. They’ve hinted that Jesus Christ was one in that you see him several times in the crowd shots, and when in one storyline where someone took over his powers and was turning his tundra into a shopping mall, one guard complains about a shaman who “Keeps getting up evertime we shoot him and saying ‘He forgives us of our sins’”. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2003, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/23 "2003-07-31T21:51:46Z")
Oh yeah, there was also a big Marvel/Top Cow crossover where Mephisto got a glimpse of the Top Cow universe (which is a subset of Image) and saw that there was no devil there to corrupt and collect the souls of this world’s inhabitants, so he crossed over, manipulated a bunch of heroes and villains, and started to riegn Hell down on that version of Earth. God never showed up, and all it took the Silver Surfer showing up to help put Mephisto back in his place. From this, one could gather that, without a Devil, there’s probably no God either, so it’s possible that in the Top Cow universe, there is no God. But looking back on that, Spawn, the Darkness, and Witchblade are all Top Cow comics (at least, I believe they are), and if that’s the case, the entire premise to the crossover is a load of crap. Man, now my brain’s hurting… ---
**Author:** ![cbawlmer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/71e660/32.png) [@cbawlmer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cbawlmer)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/24 "2003-07-31T22:26:23Z")
Found it. The Kitty Pryde/Dracula encounter was in **Uncanny X-Men #159** from July 1982. **El Elvis Rojo** , the crucifix shouldn’t work for a Jewish person because it specifically invokes Jesus Christ, whose divinity I don’t recall Jews really accepting. 😉 I don’t know, maybe if you went at it from a really complicated Holy Trinity angle it MIGHT work, but there probably wasn’t room in the comic’s 22 pages for Claremont to tackle that. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/25 "2003-08-01T03:14:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cbawlmer \* > \*\ ***El Elvis Rojo** , the crucifix shouldn’t work for a Jewish person because it specifically invokes Jesus Christ, whose divinity I don’t recall Jews really accepting. 😉 \*\* I know. What I meant was that Christians and Jews believe in the same God, so if a Crucifix works for a Christian, it makes sense that a Star of David would work for a Jew. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/26 "2003-08-01T04:34:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Bryan Ekers \* > \*\*DC has an Israeli supercharacter named [“The Seraph”](http://dcworld.itgo.com/TheSeraph.html) who had the strength of Samson etc. and could call for miracles like stopping the flow of time and whatnot. He got pissed in one story and beat a terrorist half to death, but the big G (never seen, but represented by glowing text) intervened, scolded Seraph and took away his powers until he atoned at the next Yom Kippur. > > Seriously. \*\* … holy crap. I have SO got to find those comics! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/27 "2003-08-01T05:10:59Z")
Kevin Smith penned a series of comics that brought Green Arrow back to life, which included a couple of scenes set in Heaven. Not bad: the Pearly Gates looked like titanic stained glass windows, and there are some good cameos from Jason Todd and Barry Allen once he gets inside. Inlcudes the following exchange: Green Arrow: Don’t tell my you’ve gone and “found Christ” on me now. Spectre: Sort of… I do work for the guy some consider his dad. ---
**Author:** ![Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecd19e/32.png) [@Aslan\_of\_Narnia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aslan_of_Narnia)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/28 "2003-08-01T06:00:55Z")
In the Crisis miniseries, it is shown thru a portal at the beggining of time that a giant hand comes from beyond to create the universe. I’m pretty sure that it was implied that this was THE god, the one who commanded Specte and all the other beings of heaven. I believe that the being was called The Word, but maybe I’m thinking of when Destiny of The Endless heard the first words and started to write. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/29 "2003-08-01T06:12:15Z")
Towel boy. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/30 "2003-08-01T06:31:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cbawlmer \* > \*\*I’m sure Nightcrawler COULD use a crucifix, but this was quite a few years ago and I’m pretty sure it was Kitty Pride and the Star of David. Maybe I can find the actual issue… \*\* [This](http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/nightcrawler11.jpg) is why I asked you if you meant Nightcrawler instead. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/31 "2003-08-01T06:38:19Z")
Wow. That some some extra-cheesy comix action right there. Oog. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2003, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850/32 "2003-08-01T11:42:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*So can Batman beat God if he’s prepared? \*\* [paradox]Can an omnipotent God create a superhero so tough He can’t beat him?[/paradox] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-judeo-christian-gods-place-in-the-comics-pantheon-vs-the-other-gods/191850.md?page=1)