# What is the most divisive physical thing that individuals can make? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [August 3, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200 "2024-08-03T17:38:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/241 "2024-08-08T14:11:05Z")
Yeah, because fluorescent green relish is such a subtle, delicate flavor… ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/242 "2024-08-08T14:46:07Z")
> [@beowulff](#): > > Yeah, because fluorescent green relish is such a subtle, delicate flavor… Preach it, bro! And sport peppers? They overstuff the dog, tend to fall off, are tough to bite into, and, of course, have an overpowering flavor. But by god and the 'Dope, a Chicagie dog has to have them both. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/243 "2024-08-08T14:51:27Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > But by god and the 'Dope, a Chicagie dog has to have them both. A local brewery I go to makes Chicago Hotdogs strictly by the book and I love them. I asked the brewer if he ever lived in Chicago, but it turns out he’s never even visited. He read about them somewhere and decided to make some. They caught on. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/244 "2024-08-08T15:07:29Z")
It’s just tribalism; reviling ketchup on hot dogs is a way of proving you are a True Chicagoan. (I think both ketchup and hot dogs are disgusting, personally. The Chicago style dog has the advantage of multiple condiments masking the taste of the hot dog, so it’s better IMO). ---
**Author:** ![Tibby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tibby/32/17030_2.png) [@Tibby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibby)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/245 "2024-08-08T15:17:38Z")
I take offense to being referred to as a monkey. I’m an ape…and a great one at that. I’m an ape who likes ketchup on fries, and a few other things. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/246 "2024-08-08T15:40:36Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I take offense to being referred to as a monkey. > > I’m an ape…and a great one at that. That brings up more divisive things: Is an ape a kind of monkey? Is a tomato a kind of fruit? Is a bird a kind of dinosaur? Is a whale a kind of fish? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/247 "2024-08-08T15:42:12Z")
> [@Tibby](#): > > I take offense to being referred to as a monkey. > > I’m an ape…and a great one at that. Scientifically, [apes ARE monkeys](https://paoloviscardi.com/2011/04/21/apes-are-monkeys-deal-with-it/). Even more scientifically, “jumped up monkey” is, scientifically speaking, more fun to say than “jumped up ape.” I hooted what I hooted. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/248 "2024-08-08T15:55:36Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > What thing can a person make, fully in earnest, and with full satisfaction of their own goal, that will generate the most and strongest pushbacks about how _you’re doing it all wrong_ ? A child? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/249 "2024-08-08T16:03:13Z")
Also, mustard and peppers sensitize the tongue and improves the ability to taste other flavors. That’s why it’s properly used in small amounts. I’ve rarely seen anyone put a little ketchup on anything. That’s why they make ketchup in wide mouth containers and bottles you keep upside down to get it out easier. I’ve never seen anyone put a smear of ketchup on anything. Ketchup is clearly intended to hide flavor. If you like it so much just take pieces of tofu and dunk them in a bowl of ketchup, it doesn’t matter what you put the ketchup on, all you taste is ketchup. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/250 "2024-08-08T16:06:33Z")
Thread won. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/251 "2024-08-08T16:45:07Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > That’s why they make ketchup in wide mouth containers and bottles you keep upside down to get it out easier. I checked my refrigerator. All my ketchup and mustard bottles are squeeze bottles, not wide mouth, and the opening in the bottles of Coleman’s mustard, Koop’s mustard and Gulden’s mustard are all larger than the opening in the bottle of Heinz ketchup. Ketchup does come in wide mouth glass bottles, but so does mustard, relish and lots of other things. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/252 "2024-08-08T16:59:29Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Thread won. Agree 100%. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/253 "2024-08-08T17:23:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Also, mustard and peppers sensitize the tongue and improves the ability to taste other flavors. Your experience of food and flavors is very different from mine. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/254 "2024-08-08T17:39:54Z")
Ketchup is just overwhelmingly sweet. As I grew up, I found I did not want so much sugar in everything. But if that’s your thing to put on hot dogs or burgers, go nuts. Just keep it off mine or use in extreme moderation. ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/255 "2024-08-08T18:34:25Z")
Heinz ketchup has 4 g of sugar per tablespoon. Heinz relish and Vlassic relish both have 3 g of sugar per tablespoon. I’d guess a typical Chicago hot dog has 3-4 tablespoons of chopped onion, which contains 2 g of sugar. A Ball Park hot dog bun itself contains 4 g of sugar. I don’t see how ketchup is “overwhelmingly” sweet compared to the other ingredients. And you can get ketchup with less sugar; Heinz Low Sugar ketchup contains less than 1 g of sugar per tablespoon. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/256 "2024-08-08T18:40:16Z")
I don’t use much relish, either, if any at all. And it’s balanced out somewhat by the sourness of the pickles. And that bun (which itself is pretty sweet, to be fair) spreads that sugar out over considerably more volume. Low sugar ketchup is a bizarre suggestion. They also add Stevia, so if “less sweet” is the goal, that’s not the way to do it. It’s not that I especially crave ketchup. I can simply do without it on a hot dog. That’s much simpler. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/257 "2024-08-08T19:29:12Z")
I’m not sure it qualifies (quite) as a physical thing (and it isn’t going to beat the earlier thread winning entry of “a child”), but ho boy, have you Ever built a music playlist for even a small, family party? “Why did you use Software/Audio Format (lossless, compact, etc) XYZ? It’s crap!” “Why did you use Hardware (player or speaker) ABC? It’s crap!” “Why did you include Band/Song XYZ? They’re crap!” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/258 "2024-08-08T21:17:59Z")
For myself, a good Chicago dog is wonderful (drag it through the garden). So is one with sauerkraut and mustard. I like strong flavors. Since we are not talking about making decisions, I’ll keep those thoughts to myself. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/259 "2024-08-08T21:32:28Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > It’s just tribalism; reviling ketchup on hot dogs is a way of proving you are a True Chicagoan. ( I have never even been to Chicago. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > I don’t use much relish, either, if any at all. And it’s balanced out somewhat by the sourness of the pickles. Sourness? Only dill pickle relish is sour- and that is very rare. Most relish is sweet relish. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 10:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200/260 "2024-08-09T10:26:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Sourness? Only dill pickle relish is sour- and that is very rare. Most relish is sweet relish. [Dave’s sweet spicy relish.](https://famousbbq.com/product/signature-spicy-pickle-relish/) Love the stuff. But the store I shop at stopped carrying it, so I sort of make my own by dicing pickled jalapenos and mixing it with relish [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-most-divisive-physical-thing-that-individuals-can-make/1005200.md?page=14)