# What is the narrative of slavery apologists in the US **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 15, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606 "2015-11-15T00:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/81 "2015-11-23T20:13:29Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Elementary school in Western PA in the '60’s. Looking back, it may have been considered a “progressive” education at the time, because we weren’t taught any of the “ugliness” of history or life. (“Bay of Pigs”? What’s that?) Grammar was drilled into us (may have forgotten some), and no expense was spared in math and science. We were expected to be tomorrow’s scientists, engineers, entreprenuers, etc. > > And we were all but promised that life was going to be like “The Jetsons” by the year 2000… Makes me think of the curriculum discussed in _Lies My Teacher Told Me_. “Progressive” is not an apt description for this. It’s more in line with deep conservatism. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/82 "2015-11-23T21:20:14Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > “White supremacism” implies extremism. Most moderate whites would object to that characterization of the Country’s history. While these are more about slavery that white superemacism specificially, they give a pretty good view of what a number of American leaders respected enough to be elected to important positions in various states thought about the issue. [The Confederate Cause in the Words of Its Leaders - The Atlantic](http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-this-cruel-war-was-over/396482/) ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/83 "2015-11-24T20:07:10Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Hmmm… This is why I brought up that “zero sum game” business. Just because a certain policy or practice was discriminatory toward Mr. Black, doesn’t necessarily imply that it was beneficial to Mr. White. It’s political correctness gone mad. ---
**Author:** ![Emiliana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f0a364/32.png) [@Emiliana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emiliana)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/84 "2015-11-24T20:29:21Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Do you have a cite for this? I’m curious about the numerical breakdown between slaves going to the US, Caribbean, Mexico/Central America, and South America. I wouldn’t have guessed that a majority went to South America – I would have assumed that US + Caribbean had a majority, even if plenty went to SA. Brazil was definitely in the lead, along with what is now Venezuela and Colombia as well as the Spanish Caribbean. You might be interested in Henry Louis Gate’s [Black in Latin America](http://www.pbs.org/wnet/black-in-latin-america/) series (documentary and website). The subject of race and racism in Brazil, especially as compared to the US, is fascinating. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/85 "2015-11-24T20:52:46Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > Brazil was definitely in the lead, along with what is now Venezuela and Colombia as well as the Spanish Caribbean. > > You might be interested in Henry Louis Gate’s [Black in Latin America](http://www.pbs.org/wnet/black-in-latin-america/) series (documentary and website). The subject of race and racism in Brazil, especially as compared to the US, is fascinating. Was South America, collectively, the destination of more slaves in the Atlantic trade than North America and the Caribbean combined? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/86 "2015-11-24T21:21:04Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > Hmmm… This is why I brought up that “zero sum game” business. Just because a certain policy or practice was discriminatory toward Mr. Black, doesn’t necessarily imply that it was beneficial to Mr. White. > > Maybe my education was lacking because I was never taught to believe as you do. Hell, I’ve heard the name “Jim Crow” a few times, but never learned what it was about, and never had any reason to research it on my own. My elementary school Social Studies class used that stupid book that highlighted kids living in different parts of the Country, like “Chris of Courage Cove”… If you don’t even know what Jim Crow is, you shouldn’t be giving any opinion on this at all. ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2015, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606/87 "2015-11-25T00:59:50Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > If you don’t even know what Jim Crow is, you shouldn’t be giving any opinion on this at all. I didn’t. What’s your story? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-narrative-of-slavery-apologists-in-the-us/737606.md?page=4)