# What is the origin and purpose of Jehovah's Witnesses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088 "2012-08-01T18:51:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/41 "2012-08-02T00:27:07Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > _Obfuscate!_ …doin the Masquerade raaaaaaag ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/42 "2012-08-02T00:42:28Z")
This thread bring a refreshingly novel Conspiracy Theory to the table, and for that the OP should be celebrated. Hell, he got to the “You can’t handle the truth and how dare you ask me for citations?” bit by post 14. On the information superhighway, this guy is positively speeding. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/43 "2012-08-02T01:44:56Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > The JW’s were actually financed and set up through the royal families and Israeli elites via the Church of England and the British banking establishment for the specific purpose of supporting the Zionist movement during London’s involvement with establishing the Israeli state after WW1. “London’s involvement” included but was not limited to disarming the proto-Israelis while allowing the Arabs to be armed and a very notable case actually leading an Arab army against Israel, imprisoning Holocaust survivors fleeing to Israel, arresting proto-Israelis who were engaged in self defense, and so on. If a conspiracy was behind Britain’s treatment of the question of Zionism, they were anti-Zionists, not pro. > [@chappy](#): > > Russia has already said that outside intervention into Syria or Iraq would be met with the force of the Russian military. You are aware that we invaded and occupied Iraq, right? > [@chappy](#): > > The British royal family actually believes that they are members of the Lost Tribes, the direct descendents of King David and King Solomon and have been chosen as a family bloodline to rule and govern the world. The Israeli elite and ruling class take strong exception to this usurpation of their god given (sic) covenant and inheritance. Only anti-Semites think that “the Chosen People” refers to any bonus, benefit, or special privelege. Only cranks believe it refers to some sort of “ruling the world” mishegas. “the Chosen People” means the people chosen to bear an extra _burden_ that gentiles do not carry. In point of fact, gentiles can be just as righteous in God’s eyes (under Jewish theology, at least) by simply following the Noahide Laws rather than all the Mitzvot. > [@chappy](#): > > The recent, illegal mufti-trillion dollar bailout of the Vatican Bank, Wall ST. and the other European central banks by Washington Simply for the record, I wasn’t illegal. The idea that the way out of monetary trouble is _World War Three_ and that WWIII would allow pedophilia to be “glorified” is, perhaps, a bit more insane sounding than you intended. The idea that the United States is Israel’s “surrogate” is, well, a bit more insane sounding than that. Can you please list the year in which we moved our brick-and-mortar embassy to Jerusalem? > [@chappy](#): > > Hope this is info you can use. No, those are claims you’ve made which are useless. Give proof or retract. P.S. We’re literate here, and can actually read and critique cites. Providing us with YouTube links is not only a standard page out of the Crank Bible, it’s a waste of all of our time as we certainly won’t watch 'em and you serve no purpose by posting 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/44 "2012-08-02T01:55:08Z")
I believe Israel wasn’t even established officially until after WWII, not WWI, unless I’m mistaken? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/45 "2012-08-02T01:59:24Z")
NVM. ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/46 "2012-08-02T02:08:05Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > That’s _exactly_ what they want you to think. Oh THEY did it, now I understand :smack: ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/47 "2012-08-02T02:15:07Z")
All I have to say is that the Amish sure have lucked out that they convinced the world it’s the Jews who are in control. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/48 "2012-08-02T02:28:14Z")
Wait, OP, are you _asking_ us or _telling_ us? ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/49 "2012-08-02T03:38:07Z")
TomDeb, You want references? Look at your country… Look at your world… ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/50 "2012-08-02T03:40:45Z")
Two sides to every dollar bill Finn. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/51 "2012-08-02T03:42:08Z")
Susu, I didn’t do it… ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/52 "2012-08-02T03:44:23Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, You want references? Look at your country… Look at your world… OK, now what? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/53 "2012-08-02T03:53:20Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, You want references? Look at your country… Look at your world… That is not how it works. You wandered in here making absurd claims that I know from a reading of history are utterly ridiculous. If you want to persuade me that you have some great hidden truth that is at odds with all known facts, then you have to provide the source for those claims. Otherwise, I am going to dismiss your nonsense as one more odd bit of silliness. Of course, since you already appear to believe that the Illuminati are something more than a loose collection of academics who only lasted as a correspondence club for a dozen years in the eighteenth century, I suspect that you are simply repeating something you heard, based on a gullible need to think that the world is bound up in conspiracies. Similarly, the notion that the Masons are anything more than a fraternal organization of support that provides a bit of an edge for business associations on the local level is another silly, if popular, belief. (Hint: neither the Masons’ own mythology of being the direct descendants of medieval masonic guilds nor the wild-eyed claims that they are the crypto descendants of the Knights Templar have any truth to them. We know who founded the current organization and when, and it had no mysterious origins.) Since you appear to entertain the more outlandish notions about those groups, I have no reason to expect to find any substance in your claims about the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I would, however, be interested to see where you are getting your “information” about the JWs so that I can note it for future disdain. Are you also a fan of the _Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion_, by chance? ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/54 "2012-08-02T04:01:16Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Susu, I didn’t do it.. It’s Sisu, but then what could you expect from an Illuminati Elder posing as a nut job conspiracy theorist to throw us off the scent by making such lazy arguments for their existence.😉 So are you “they”? ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/55 "2012-08-02T04:02:12Z")
TomDeb, I won’t even bother wasting my time answering the first part of your insinuation. As to my information about Jehovahs’ Witnesses; well i’m an old man and I’ve spent my entire life in and around them. Been around them since just after after WW2, the prelude to WW3 unless we _all_ quit waiting on Jesus and do something pretty damn quick… ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/56 "2012-08-02T04:06:11Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, You want references? Look at your country… Look at your world… “We finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!” ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/57 "2012-08-02T04:09:39Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, You want references? Look at your country… Look at your world… Do you not understand what a citation is or why they’re absolutely mandatory whenever you make any claims? Do you know what the null hypothesis is and why we use it? > [@chappy](#): > > Two sides to every dollar bill Finn. Ahhh… a delightful word salad with a refreshing crazysauce vinaigrette. > [@chappy](#): > > As to my information about Jehovahs’ Witnesses; well i’m an old man and I’ve spent my entire life in and around them. Been around them since just after after WW2, the prelude to WW3 unless we _all_ quit waiting on Jesus and do something pretty damn quick… Well, I’m a Jew and I actually am able to read and cite things, so if I make up a bullshit Conspiracy Theory and refuse to cite anything, how do we figure whether your CT or my CT is true? ---
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/58 "2012-08-02T04:19:13Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, I won’t even bother wasting my time answering the first part of your insinuation. As to my information about Jehovahs’ Witnesses; well i’m an old man and I’ve spent my entire life in and around them. Been around them since just after after WW2, the prelude to WW3 unless we _all_ quit waiting on Jesus and do something pretty damn quick… I have no idea what the point of what you are arguing is? So what if there is a conspiracy? What does it mean to me in my life? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/59 "2012-08-02T04:25:33Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Well, I’m a Jew and I actually am able to read and cite things, so if I make up a bullshit Conspiracy Theory and refuse to cite anything, how do we figure whether your CT or my CT is true? His, of course. You’re part of the conspiracy! You’re one of…Them. No, no, not a Jew; a giant ant. _Everyone_ knows that when something goes wrong, it’s the fault of Them. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/60 "2012-08-02T04:27:05Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > I have no idea what the point of what you are arguing is? So what if there is a conspiracy? What does it mean to me in my life? He apparently believes that the Jews, British crown and the Jehovah’s Witnesses are conspiring to bring about global thermonuclear war. Yes, for serious. P.S. **Chappy**? Another point you should realize about your total refusal to provide any actual proof for any of your claims, at all, is that you’re posting on the internet. We have no way of knowing if you’re an old man, if you grew up in the JW’s, etc… I, as a race car driving astronaut ninja secret agent certainly know how easy it is for other people to manufacture false credentials. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088.md?page=4)