# What is the origin and purpose of Jehovah's Witnesses? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 1, 2012, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088 "2012-08-01T18:51:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![sisu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/df705f/32.png) [@sisu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sisu)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/61 "2012-08-02T04:27:47Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, no, not a Jew; a giant ant. _Everyone_ knows that when something goes wrong, it’s the fault of Them. That’s why we need the Lizards Overlords, bloody ants causing mischief… ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/62 "2012-08-02T05:36:21Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > TomDeb, I won’t even bother wasting my time answering the first part of your insinuation. As to my information about Jehovahs’ Witnesses; well i’m an old man and I’ve spent my entire life in and around them. Been around them since just after after WW2, the prelude to WW3 unless we _all_ quit waiting on Jesus and do something pretty damn quick… I have insinuated nothing. I have flat out declared that your claims are silly. My point is that if you want to persuade other people to believe your stories, then you need to provide evidence. That the JWs began believing in an imminent Last Days, (revised regulalry as the various dates pass without event), simply adds them to a long list of other people who have chosen to believe the same things; it does not make them part of some vast conspiracy. As to an imminent WWIII: with the collape of the Soviet Union, that has been pushed back to some future date. The Russians realize that war will destroy them. The Chinese are basking in their newfound prosperity and realize that war will destroy it. The various fragmented Islamist groups do not have control over any nation strong enough to engage in a “world war.” We are certainly not going to go picking a figt with any coalition of nations. For the foreseeable future, wars are going to go back to being local conflagrations, occasionally as proxies for greater powers, but never involving an actual world wide conflict. Any other scenario is simply preposterous and, if you really think that something like that will happen, you need to provide evidence that there are preparations or even reasons for it to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/63 "2012-08-02T05:43:06Z")
Now if you had chosen to criticize the Jehovah’s Witnesses for discouraging young people from going to college, and for also pounding it into their children’s heads that the end of the world is coming any day now, so all personal ambition is futile, thus nearly guaranteeing a life filled with menial labor, you might have a valid point. Silly lunatic conspiracy drivel is just annoying to refute. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/64 "2012-08-02T06:21:32Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > Just because paranoia exists doesn’t mean there’s nothing to fear. That’s _exactly_ what they want you to think. This is priceless! - can I get it on a T shirt? (Might I suggest capitalising ‘THEY’ for extra impact? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/65 "2012-08-02T07:36:14Z")
Who let in David Icke ? He is the ConTheorist with the hard-on for the Royal Family, right? ---
**Author:** ![Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maggie_the_Ocelot)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/66 "2012-08-02T07:46:27Z")
Lyndon LaRouche, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/67 "2012-08-02T12:21:47Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Who let in David Icke ? He is the ConTheorist with the hard-on for the Royal Family, right? Yeah, but he says they’re lizard people. I don’t think the OP here has explicitly stated that yet. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/68 "2012-08-02T12:40:22Z")
Yet. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/69 "2012-08-02T14:21:19Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > FoolsGuinea, We are dealing with family bloodlines with a common goal. This started long before anyone who is alive today. Dynasties are a fact of life in _all_ disciplines and walks of life including show business, industry, property rights, government and most important of all the idea that there is a certain class of humans destined to have all of the power, wealth and rulership of the masses. How does such a family ensure the “loyalty” of future generations? [Loyalty as defined in adhering to the “gameplan”, and retaining the same “goals” as decided upon the founders.] ---
**Author:** ![mlees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@mlees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mlees)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/70 "2012-08-02T14:37:35Z")
> [@mlees](#): > > How does such a family ensure the “loyalty” of future generations? > > [Loyalty as defined in adhering to the “gameplan”, and retaining the same “goals” as decided upon the founders.] As an example, I have a brother. He got married ten years ago. Granted, I live on the opposite coast, but I don’t feel any particular loyalty to her side of the family. (I don’t wish them harm, either.) They are essentially strangers to me. If she were the daughter of one of these “families”, how do they ensure that my brother toe’s the line? How is he somehow conviced to adopt this grand vision of world destruction and domination, so much so that he abandons his own goals? How is he supposed to be convinced to NOT let his kids chase their own dreams, but brainwash them into a plan hatched by someone they don’t know, a couple hundred years before they were born? It seems to me, eventually, the follow-on generations will abandon any Grand Plan, and chase their own goals. (Especially if they believe that the Grand Plan may still be generations away from fruition.) Heck, my family can’t agree on the best way to BBQ a steak. How are they supposed to work together in manipulating world governments? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/71 "2012-08-02T16:03:37Z")
> [@BMalion](#): > > OK, now what? You have to stare at it for a long time with slightly unfocused eyes, and eventually you see the 3-D unicorn. I could never do it, personally. Maybe that’s the same problem here. ---
**Author:** ![Quintas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/48db29/32.png) [@Quintas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quintas)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/72 "2012-08-02T18:48:44Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/PwpD3USKEKw/maxresdefault.jpg "Daffy Duck - Crazy Laugh - Woo Hoo.wmv") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwpD3USKEKw) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/73 "2012-08-03T00:19:07Z")
It sounds like the OP’s bitter because he never got birthday presents as a kid. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/74 "2012-08-03T00:29:51Z")
I don’t recall ever seeing a post which started off so reasonably > [@](#): > > From the time I was a kid I knew something wasn’t quite right about Jehovah’s Witnesses. Duh And went downhill so quickly. If JWs were so powerful The Watchtower would be printed on better paper. But- did you realize that there is only one letter difference between JWs and Jews./ We’re sneaky, we are. My mother was born in Brooklyn so I hope I get a pass at the agonizing holocaust. ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/75 "2012-08-03T00:44:47Z")
**Finn** , of course we invaded Iraq, I never said we didn’t. It was about OIL, which equals Money. Money is the historical prey and forte’ of the British Empire from the time of it’s inception. If you don’t know this , your ignorance of history is appalling and nearly criminal. They would do\* anything \*and do use any means available, including the drugging of the entire Chinese nation in the 18th century to obtain their goals. The _entire_ debt based banking system, the legal and political system that we in the west have lived under for over 150 years originated with the British _domination_ of its “colonies” (especially the United States) and the world. Who are “they” you ask? They are the ruling oligarchical bloodline that are the decedents of a much older and historically significant ruling class. What is a King? What is a Queen, a Prince an Earl or a Duke? What is the Aristocracy? Who are the “Elite”? A quaint reminder of chivelry, days of lore’ and Knighthood? _Of course_ they would have you think that, _and_ have you laugh at those who _do_ know. _They_ are now centered on (but certainly not indigenous to) the island of Great Britain, screwing with the minds and pocketbooks of the British people as well. The United States was originated by British people rejecting the tyranny of King George and “British Royal Rule”. It’s in our genetic memory. We’ve lived with it and we’re still intent on it’s demise. We know what it does and how it works. We see it at times when others won’t. It’s why Americans won’t give up our guns like the Germans did in the 1930’s. It’s the _only_ reason we have the very small measure of freedom that exists here today. For those who think the “Jews” are either behind it all or are a convenient scapegoat need to study the history of the Kazarian Empire (a clan of subsequential mercenaries) and their \*infiltration into \*Judaism and subsequent power grab. One should always remember that If it walks like a King, Talks like a Queen and Acts like a pig, sometimes it’s an **Aligator.** … This post started as a Hail Mary attempt to inject some kind of religious sanity into a group of people that I’ve known and cared for during my life. Religion is just another tool that has been twisted and corrupted beyond recognition into a pedophile ridden, demon fearing, prudish, unrealistic, hell creating, priest/clergy dominated liars club. The rest are the incidentals that are the foundations of the madness on this planet, including religious insanity. You can look, listen and verify it yourself or continue playing the game that _they_ so thoroughly enjoy watching you stumble through. I’m not going to publicly duke it out with entities hiding behind a facade and mask attempting to maintain their sense of normalicy and security\*\* tomdebb.\*\* If anyone want’s _references_ or the _truth as I know it_ to be you can email me personally. John ---
**Author:** ![chappy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@chappy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappy)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/76 "2012-08-03T01:01:33Z")
Oh and TomDebb, How much time have you, _personally_, spent listening to V. Puten addressing the Russian congress as to their immediate response to any foreign intervention in Syria? How much do you\* know\* about Syrian politics and history? How much do you _know_ about East/West relations and what is the root cause of the tension between them? How do you get your information? Couple of hours of approved news per week? Perhaps the newspaper of your choice or discussions on _normal_ websites with rational people of _your_ particular persuasion. I feel no particular need to convince you of anything. If someone cares, they listen. If they don’t they just continue being a pain in the ass… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/77 "2012-08-03T01:22:57Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > It was about OIL, which equals Money. Remind me again, how many of Iraq’s oil wells do we own? As for your claims that “Money” is “the historical prey and forte” of the “British Empire” (which hasn’t existed since shortly after WWII for all practical purposes) and someone disagreeing with your Conspiracy Theory demonstrates “nearly criminal ignorance”, you keep on believing that. You are, at least, following the CT’er playbook fairly closely, which is reassuring. Your claim that fractional reserve banking is somehow an evil invention of the British is, well… fictitious. Fictitious on numerous grounds, what’s more. The idea that common law originated for domination of British colonial possessions is so bizarrely, paranoidly wrong that I wonder what source even told you something that absurd. > [@chappy](#): > > It’s in our genetic memory. Yeah… there’s no such thing. > [@chappy](#): > > For those who think the “Jews” are either behind it all or are a convenient scapegoat need to study the history of the Kazarian Empire (a clan of subsequential mercenaries) and their \*infiltration into \*Judaism and subsequent power grab. 1. Not only where the Khazars not Jews, even after some of their leadership converted, but the claim that they were is a perennial anti-Semitic bit of bullshit. 2. The idea that they somehow “infiltrated” and seized “power” (of what… seder planning?) is simply anti-Semitic conspiracy mongering. > [@chappy](#): > > This post started as a Hail Mary attempt to inject some kind of religious sanity into a group of people that I’ve known and cared for during my life. Well, you can’t inject sanity with an un-sane Conspiracy Theory. I’d also note that you have yet to provide even the appearance of trying to provide a citation for any single one of your claims. Your retreat into asking for personal emails is risible. You’re posting on a public message board, give proof or retract. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2012, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088/78 "2012-08-03T01:29:21Z")
> [@chappy](#): > > I feel no particular need to convince you of anything. Then this is not the forum for you to be dropping your wierd drivel. If you come to our forum for debates and refuse to actually debate an issue, you are wasting your time and our time, along with our bandwidth. Feel free to wander into some other forum and waste their time. This thread is closed. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-origin-and-purpose-of-jehovahs-witnesses/630088.md?page=3)