# What is the point of abolishing abortion? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 30, 2024, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471 "2024-08-30T16:00:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/201 "2024-09-02T20:48:09Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > It is, however, a logic that’s rarely applied to surgical treatment for appendicitis, or to any treatment for cancer, or to fishing drowning people out of the water and possibly applying CPR, or for any other cause of death that affects people already born. Are the occurences of such things not also God’s will, if everything is God’s will? Or abortion for that matter. If God doesn’t want abortions then why is it God’s will the women He knows will abort get pregnant? Who are we to interfere with God’s plan? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/202 "2024-09-02T20:54:23Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Or abortion for that matter. If God doesn’t want abortions then why is it God’s will the women He knows will abort get pregnant? So that they may defy God’s word and change their minds?? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/203 "2024-09-02T21:11:36Z")
> [@Ulfreida](#): > > Well, the blind, unmitigated hatred of Christianity, a religion with over 2.4 billion adherents, all of whom are horrible people utterly unlike yourselves, being demonstrated here, is, um, impressive. Are all 2.4 billion Christians anti-abortion? No? Then I wasn’t talking about them all. Your argument is just the standard right wing rhetoric of pretending that “Christian” and “far right Republican” are synonyms. This is exactly the argument that got shoved out all the time during the debate over same sex marriage; the constant insistence that the position of the Republican party _was_ the “religious position”, and that other religious opinions didn’t even _exist._ > [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Partial list: > > - controlling > - dominating > - torturing > - killing > - lying to themselves about their own actions Forbidding women abortion _is_ control, domination and torture (the moral equivalent of raping her for nine months straight). And can and _has_ killed women, often in great pain. And that’s when they aren’t straight out murdering doctors and women over the issue. And the complete detachment of their stated goals and their actions means they _are_ lying. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/204 "2024-09-02T21:43:58Z")
The point of abolishing abortion is to control women’s sexuality, just like the burqa, or female genital mutilation and just like those, the people in favor of abolishing abortion claim it is for the good of women and the public at large. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/205 "2024-09-02T21:47:30Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > > [@Ulfreida](#): > > > > The _ **rationale** _ for opposing all forms of birth control does not come from a mandate to control women’s bodies. It comes from a belief that everything is God’s will, and subverting that will is a sin against God. Opposing all birth control including abortion has an internal logic to it. > > It is, however, a logic that’s rarely applied to surgical treatment for appendicitis, or to any treatment for cancer, or to fishing drowning people out of the water and possibly applying CPR, or for any other cause of death that affects people already born. Are the occurences of such things not also God’s will, if everything is God’s will? Curiously, there seem to be a fair number of Providences and Emmanuels and St. Joseph’s and other hospitals with religious-sounding names. I guess it must be Og’s will that people should subvert Og’s will. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/206 "2024-09-02T23:11:03Z")
There seems to be quite a large faction of women in the anti-abortion camp, and they don’t appear to all be members of the Quiverfull or Tradwife movements. How do you figure? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/207 "2024-09-02T23:17:29Z")
In Ethiopia, about a third of women support female genital mutilation. > **[SUPPORT FOR THE CONTINUATION OF FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION AMONG ADOLESCENTS...](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4130343/)** > > Female genital mutilation/cutting is a harmful practice which has effect on female’s wellbeing. However, the practice has continued to prevail in many cultures. Research on the social determinants of the practice and its continuation are scarce. ... ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/208 "2024-09-02T23:26:20Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > What is the extreme right’s reasoning behind abolishing abortion? And the subsequent stopping of contraception, and IVF (which doesn’t even fit in the same category, IMHO.) They want a social order where men serve women. The key to that whole enterprise is robbing women of their reproductive choices. This undermines their education, their workforce participation, freedom to leave a shiftless or abusive husband, while providing the man with free childcare and domestic labor. That’s the society they want. ---
**Author:** ![We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/We_re_wolves_not_werewolves)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/209 "2024-09-02T23:53:42Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Forbidding women abortion _is_ control, domination and torture (the moral equivalent of raping her for nine months straight). No, it’s really not, and you writing that with apparent conviction and presumably a straight face suggests it going to be difficult to have a rational conversation with you on the subject. Forbidding abortion to a pregnant woman is an imposition, the severity and effect of which will vary based on numerous individual factors. I don’t want to make light of it, it’s an incredible burden to bear, but it is not torture nor the “equivalent” of rape, the latter analogy insulting to rape victims. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/210 "2024-09-03T00:01:34Z")
> [@Rebo](#): > > And the subsequent stopping of contraception, and IVF (which doesn’t even fit in the same category, IMHO.) Same sex couples use IVF. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/211 "2024-09-03T00:04:59Z")
I agree with Der\_Trihs. Perhaps with less degree. I hope you get this some of my keys do 't work. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/212 "2024-09-03T00:11:12Z")
Remember when the 10 year old rape victim was almost force to have a baby? Please defend. > **[How a 10-Year-Old Rape Victim Who Traveled for an Abortion Became Part of a...](https://time.com/6198062/rape-victim-10-abortion-indiana-ohio/)** > > The child, then nearly six-and-a-half weeks pregnant, could not legally receive an abortion in Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/213 "2024-09-03T00:14:00Z")
It is not fair to lump abortion, contraception and IVF into the same issue because they are not. Most pro-lifers I know are much more flexible when it comes to abortion early in the pregnancy. Late term abortions are hard for a lot of us to accept. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/214 "2024-09-03T00:22:17Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Late term abortions are hard for a lot of us to accept. Lucky for that ‘lot of us’ Roe already covered that, > The Court divided the pregnancy period into three trimesters. During the first trimester, the decision to terminate the pregnancy was solely at the discretion of the woman. After the first trimester, the state could “regulate procedure.” During the second trimester, the state could regulate (but not outlaw) abortions in the interests of the mother’s health. **After the second trimester, the fetus became viable, and the state could regulate or outlaw abortions in the interest of the potential life except when necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.** > [Roe v. Wade (1973) | Wex | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute](https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/roe_v_wade_(1973)) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/215 "2024-09-03T00:30:04Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > There seems to be quite a large faction of women in the anti-abortion camp, and they don’t appear to all be members of the Quiverfull or Tradwife movements. How do you figure? I have met women (not necessarily Christian) who flat out don’t believe that women exist who don’t want to have children. They’re women, they want to have children, they think Everybody Is Like Them. In the same fashion, I expect there are women who don’t think they’d ever want an abortion who think Everybody Is Like Them – or ought to be. (And they may believe the people telling them that there’s never really a medical need.) > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > They want a social order where men serve women. Did you mean that the other way around? If so, I think that’s true of some, but not all. > [@We\_re\_wolves\_not\_werewolves](#): > > I don’t want to make light of it, it’s an incredible burden to bear, but it is not torture nor the “equivalent” of rape, the latter analogy insulting to rape victims. Depends on the pregnant woman. For some, it really is torture, physical and/or mental. And I can understand the description of “rape” for insisting that someone must have another being actually inside their body, continuously, impossible to escape, against their will. > [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > Most pro-lifers I know are much more flexible when it comes to abortion early in the pregnancy. Late term abortions are hard for a lot of us to accept. Late term abortions are very rare and when they do happen are always (or I suppose nearly always, with billions of people just about anything happens sometimes) done because of medical emergency. I have read some really heartbreaking stories from people who had carried a badly wanted pregnancy for six or seven months before discovering that the fetus had little or no chance of survival and their own lives, and if they survived their ability to ever carry another pregnancy, were at risk. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/216 "2024-09-03T01:14:45Z")
> [@HoneyBadgerDC](#): > > It is not fair to lump abortion, contraception and IVF into the same issue because they are not. It’s not fair but it’s inevitable because, as this thread showed, the question arises “if someone’s against abortion, why aren’t they in favor of better access to contraception?” Which gets into the whole question of motivations, which gets into ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/217 "2024-09-03T01:25:24Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > There seems to be quite a large faction of women in the anti-abortion camp, and they don’t appear to all be members of the Quiverfull or Tradwife movements. How do you figure? Women have always been enthusiastic about oppressing other women, just as men have always been enthusiastic about oppressing other men. Gender loyalty is a myth. And it’s not like it affects _them;_ “antiabortion” women are famous for happily going and getting an abortion when _they_ want one in the very clinic they are protesting, then going back to protesting it immediately after. “The only moral abortion is my abortion” and all that, just one of the many things that demonstrates they are liars. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/218 "2024-09-03T01:49:31Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > And it’s not like it affects _them;_ “antiabortion” women are famous for happily going and getting an abortion when _they_ want one in the very clinic they are protesting, then going back to protesting it immediately after. > > “The only moral abortion is my abortion” and all that, just one of the many things that demonstrates they are liars. So in your mind are all anti abortion women lying hypocrites, or do you think that some anti abortion women throughout history did in fact have babies that they desperately didn’t want because they genuinely believed that abortion is wrong? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/219 "2024-09-03T01:58:00Z")
Probably? The Right _loves_ pushing people into self-hatred and making self-destructive decisions. Making those women miserable is after all much of the point. They themselves probably think they deserve their suffering. And it doesn’t change the fact that they are trying to inflict massive amounts of suffering on other women, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471/220 "2024-09-03T02:04:33Z")
Something I do for the sake of my own conscience is to put humans back into the category of nature when it comes to pregnancy. A severely deformed child would not be accepted by it’s mother in nature most likely. I would favor choice in these situations even if it were discovered late as long as the procedure was humane. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-point-of-abolishing-abortion/1006471.md?page=12)