# What is the probability that Trump is a traitor? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2017, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380 "2017-01-28T07:14:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/61 "2018-02-01T20:11:35Z")
[Russian Spy Chief:](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/01/the-trump-administration-let-a-russian-spy-chief-visit-the-us-even-though-he-was-legally-barred/) > [@](#): > > **The Trump Administration Let a Russian Spy Chief Visit the US— Even Though He Was Legally Barred** > The news comes one day after Trump refused to impose new sanctions on Russia. > > The Trump administration allowed the head of Russia’s foreign intelligence service, Sergey Naryshkin, to visit the United State last week, despite US sanctions that are supposed to bar Naryshkin from entering the country. > > Naryshkin’s visit drew no notice at the time, but after Russia’s US ambassador Anatoly Antonov announced the visit on Tuesday, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) raised the issue in a press conference later in the day. “This is an extreme dereliction of duty by President Trump, who seems more intent on undermining the rule of law in this country than standing up to Putin,” Schumer said. > > “Which other sanctioned Russia intelligence agency figures has the Trump administration let into our country?” ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/62 "2018-02-01T20:16:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > A year later, and still nothing. Imagine my surprise. (A) You use a highly flexible definition of “nothing”. (B) How many years of Benghazi and Whitewater investigations did you excitedly wait through? ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/63 "2018-02-01T20:38:53Z")
Remember Whitewater? Nothing ever happened with that either. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/64 "2018-02-01T20:45:09Z")
In my mind, it’s not a probability, it is a certainty. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/65 "2018-02-01T20:52:52Z")
We’re closing in on the point in the Watergate investigations where Nixon threw a fit and told people to knock it off. His fellow Republicans, and people like Rev. Billy Graham, were just as much in denial. We know how that one ended. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/66 "2018-02-01T21:10:37Z")
> **[Team Trump Just Blew Its Cover](https://observer.com/2018/01/sanctions-nunes-memo-reveal-donald-trump-sean-hannity-ties-to-russia/amp/)** > > Trump cares more about placating Vladimir Putin than following U.S. law or the will of Congress. Traitor. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/67 "2018-02-01T21:20:56Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > We’re closing in on the point in the Watergate investigations where Nixon threw a fit and told people to knock it off. His fellow Republicans, and people like Rev. Billy Graham, were just as much in denial. > > We know how that one ended. [We would have already had a Saturday Night Massacre](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-moved-to-fire-mueller-in-june-bringing-white-house-counsel-to-the-brink-of-leaving/2018/01/25/9184a49e-0238-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html) if the White House Counsel weren’t riding herd. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Torque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Max\_Torque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_Torque)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/68 "2018-02-01T21:23:17Z")
I’m with my mother on this: “I don’t just want to see him impeached or removed anymore. I want to see him _ruined_.” ---
**Author:** ![Celidin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/cc9497/32.png) [@Celidin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celidin)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/69 "2018-02-01T21:23:58Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > [We would have already had a Saturday Night Massacre](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-moved-to-fire-mueller-in-june-bringing-white-house-counsel-to-the-brink-of-leaving/2018/01/25/9184a49e-0238-11e8-bb03-722769454f82_story.html) if the White House Counsel weren’t riding herd. Or if Trump wasn’t significantly a weaker person than Nixon was and fired the WH Counsel. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/70 "2018-02-01T22:11:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > A year later, and still nothing. Imagine my surprise. > > Regards, > Shodan Did you ever watch the show Lost? If not, they spent, like seven seasons building mystery after mystery and we all watched in rapt anticipation until the finale where we imagined all would be answered. But, I was skeptical. It’s not that the mysteries that they had woven wouldn’t have a sensible explanation, it’s that the couldn’t have a sensible explanation. There was simply no finale that could possibly have been written that would have explained all of the available evidence. This is the same way. But, in this case, there are sensible explanations. Just none that are innocent. I’d love to hear just one explanation for why Russia has achieved favored nation status when all other nations are shitholes. Why every single person on that campaign had Russian contacts that they hid. You don’t hide innocent contacts. We have two people who have already pleaded guilty to related crimes which are suspiciously less than what they could have been charged with. We have the GOP on fucking tape talking about how Trump owes Putin (hushed up, because, you know, we’re family and all). We have the release of classified information in the fucking Oval Office. Imagine if Obama did nothing other than that. There would have been a dozen investigations by now, as it should be. We have tens of millions of dollars in inauguration money that just up and disappeared. We have Trump and his ilk covering up at every opportunity because it is there only play left. We have tax returns being protected like fucking diamonds. We have a president that had no access to money other than sketchy Russian mobsters. Maybe you could find an innocent explanation for any one of these things, which would have to rely on the administration not being criminal, but criminally stupid. But, all of it together? Nah. Too many mysteries and there is no possible innocent explanation. No doubt that there was malfeasance. The only question is how much, and whether the president can be protected from it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/71 "2018-02-01T22:19:07Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Did you ever watch the show Lost? If not, they spent, like seven seasons building mystery after mystery and we all watched in rapt anticipation until the finale where we imagined all would be answered. But, I was skeptical. It’s not that the mysteries that they had woven wouldn’t have a sensible explanation, it’s that the couldn’t have a sensible explanation. There was simply no finale that could possibly have been written that would have explained all of the available evidence. > > This is the same way. But, in this case, there are sensible explanations. Just none that are innocent. . No. Mueller is [on record as saying it’s different!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1aQmjFikM) You have to watch the very last bit. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/72 "2018-02-01T22:20:55Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > No. Mueller is [on record as saying it’s different!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU1aQmjFikM) You have to watch the very last bit. Oh fuck me! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/73 "2018-02-01T22:24:03Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Oh fuck me! ROFL, had you really not already seen that? I think **Mace** and I are the only ones on the board who loved it. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/74 "2018-02-01T22:25:58Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > ROFL, had you really not already seen that? I think **Mace** and I are the only ones on the board who loved it. 😃 Swear to Christ. I’ve seen SNL maybe twice in my life. I think I made the Lost reference once before though, and I’m desperately trying to find it! ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/75 "2018-02-01T22:29:41Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Swear to Christ. I’ve seen SNL maybe twice in my life. I think I made the Lost reference once before though, and I’m desperately trying to find it! I’m not a regular watcher, either, but that bit went viral and caught up. I still get a giggle fit over it. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/76 "2018-02-01T22:30:52Z")
Is it too late to change my analogy to Battlestar Gallactica? Still works with Battlestar Gallactica. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/77 "2018-02-01T22:31:00Z")
LOL, we believe you. The analogies run fast and furious with President Very Stable Genius. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380/78 "2018-02-01T23:07:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > ROFL, had you really not already seen that? I think **Mace** and I are the only ones on the board who loved it. 😃 I’m pretty sure **Stranger on a Train** referenced it in another thread. I gave up on _SNL_ for awhile, but it’s gotten much better in recent years. That skit had me in stitches, but then Kate McKennon is a comic genius, so that helps! I almost thought **FYL** was purposely setting me up for a whoosh with the _Lost_ reference. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-the-probability-that-trump-is-a-traitor/778380.md?page=3)