What is the value of a "Secret Society"?

:eek: Vehement Maledictions!!! I have looked at the OP repeatedly trying to figure out why the first “their” was incorrect and I repeatedly missed the second “their”. My humblest apologies. <goes off to beat his head against the wall a couple of times> :smack:

You probably can’t see the fnord either.

Well, that’s why it’s a secret society.

My daughter has a Fnord Fnocus.

Whoa…then you shouldn’t be posting here, eh?

Does she drive it to the Phoenix Phall Phunfest in Phennsylvania? We did a tiny Dopefest there once. Just once.

Yes, but he also wrote:

'Nuff said?

That would be Dopephest at the Phunphest, n’est-ce phas?

Wow, when do you have time for anything? To be honest I’d never even heard of Demolay or Sir Knight of those and had to look them up. My son is in Order of the Arrow. Demolay seems interesting.

Back in the days almost all adult American males belonged to a lodge like Masons, Jaycees, Elks, Kiwanis, Rotary, Lions, Raccoon Lodge etc… but nowadays its getting pretty rare. It’s too bad because such groups seem to good for networking and community.

I can’t tell. I swore.

Two hours a month for DeMolay, one hour a month for Order of Knighthood (properly, The Chivalric Knights of the Holy Order of the Fellow Soldiers of Jacques DeMolay) isn’t all that much an investment. I have no idea how much time Oder of the Arrow was supposed to take each month because shortly after my ordeal (initiation), my brothers and I stopped going to Scouting; DeMolay was a more active thing in our area and with our friends.

You can check out DeMolay’s homepage for more information. The equivalent for DeMolay for Prince Hall lodges is Knights of Pythagoras, which was specifically modeled on DeMolay. I do not know what the Prince Hall lodges’ equivalents are for Job’s Daughters and Rainbow Girls.

I’m not sure I buy the networking bit for finding jobs, contracts, etc. as I’ve never seen that come up. In other words: I’ve never seen any favoritism granted towards another member of a masonic-affiliated group. Maybe it happened in the past, but today it’s probably not really possible to get away with it in the areas where Freemasonry is concentrated.

Currently I reside in Beijing and there are no Masonic bodies meeting in the PRC if you don’t count Hong Kong and Macau. I may join in Hong Kong, though. Haven’t made up my mind yet. While I was living in South Korea, I did consider joining a Prince Hall lodge but didn’t get around to it because it’s just not that high up on my bucket list of things to do for me to rush the decision. I do know that I will not join a lodge in a jurisdiction where “White Masonic” lodges do not have mutual recognition of Prince Hall (“Black Masonic” although PH is open to all) lodges.

I checked that link. This was interesting:

“Although only one out of every 1,000 young men in the United States, age 13 to 21, will join DeMolay, it is interesting to note that many of this nation’s leaders in business, religion, and politics belonged to DeMolay in their teens. In fact, one out of every twelve State Governors is a Senior DeMolay and one out of every ten United States Senators is a Senior DeMolay.”

Interesting about the governors and senators.

More information - I never knew there were separate “Black” masonic groups. I knew though Catholics had Knights of Columbus.

Ok, another question. Do members “test” out each other by giving the Masonic secret handshake? I kind of wonder because I’ve gotten some odd handshakes before.

What organization is this?

Now this is more of why I get nervous about the Masons. Why wouldnt a group have family events like say picnics? Why wouldnt a person want to talk about it with their kids? Wouldnt they want them to later join or maybe be a part of the groups youth programs? Why not encourage the wives to join the womens version like Job’s daughters?

BTW, Thank you Scottish Rite Masons. You partly paid for my sons first hearing aids.

Our family attended the Shrine Circus regularly (which benefitted the Shriner’s Hospital for children). We enjoyed the show while dad worked support stuff (presumably food-related). The families got plenty of exposure to the non-secret, service aspect of the Masons.

When we asked questions about secret stuff, the answer kids usually got from our fathers was, “When you’re ready to join, we can discuss that”.

Regarding auxiliary groups, they do have the Order of the Eastern Star. When we were going through our mother’s things after she’d died, we found an Eastern Star handbook. She never said anything about it, so we don’t know whether it was hers or dad’s (Eastern Star is open to both Master Masons and women related to Masons).

A few years ago, I actually looked into joining the Masons just for the heck of it. (AIUI, having a father who was a Mason can serve as an introduction, and I figured that 1947 state convention photograph would verify my claim). I decided against it when I learned that you have to swear to belief in a supreme being, and I’m an atheist.

You could always lie. It’ll be your secret.

it lets its members feel “special” without having to spend much effort.

Pretty much any of them but in my case its FOE (Eagles).

Cheaper health insurance than you would be able to purchase as an individual.

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