I had heard that here in B-more, we had a problem with a large number of drug users, but I had never seen evidence of that until your last post. We do have good treatement programs here, you should look into one.
The O’s are one of the most successful MLB franchises in history. The current ownership sucks, and I do hate Peter Angelos, but in spite of his moronic handeling of the team, the history is still there. And the 22 games was an AL record, not a MLB record.
DON’T YOU DARE CRITICIZE THE MIGHTY RAVENS!!! It’s true that they had a few bad years, but look for the playoffs in 2000. This franchise has NOTHING to do with the Browns( tho they were a very good team for many years). THE BROWNS are currently toasting marshmellows beside the flaming river in Cleveland. Art had enough class to leave that pathetic name where it belongs, in the mistake by the lake. As to how we got the team, what choice did we have? The NFL, headed by the Sun King and in collusion with Jack Bent Crook, made sure we wouldn’t get one any other way. The Ravens are all Baltimore, baby, and true desendents of the proudest franchise in ANY sport, the dearly departed Colts. We are the best sports town in America, and if you don’t like it, leave.
BTW, the Bucs are odds on favorites, along with the Foreskins, to goto the Super Bowl this year. How is that pathetic?
>Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the
>only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?
No. The Ravens haven’t either. Unfortunately, with the guys they’ve added on offense this year they stand a much better chance of erasing that stigma than we do.
The Saints being labeled as “the only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game” is a staple of mediocre sportswriters everywhere, that goes along with “They gave up two drafts for Ricky Williams” and “They are moving to San Antonio any day now.”
One note about the Expos – they were winning their division in 1994 when the post-season was cancelled and I maintain that they would have won the World Series that year. I find it laughable that certain baseball owners have nothing but criticism for the franchise and their loyal fans when those same pack of bastards feel the need to screw the players to the point of striking every time Montreal gets near the post-season.
There’s nothing lovable or respectable about the Saints. Remember when fans used to wear bags over their heads at the games? I also think they tried painting the seats of the Superdome in a pattern that tried to hide the fact that it was a graveyard during the games.**
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Divemaster, thanks for proving my point. Saints fans showed up with paper bags on their heads. Cardinals fans (in three different cities no less) simply stay home. As for painting the seats to make them look less empty, Cardinals ownership won’t go to the trouble.
By the way, I want to apologize for misspelling the Cardinals owner’s family name. It’s Bidwill. I want to be perfectly clear who I think the blame lies with.
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**Regarding the New Orleans Saints, I believe they are the
only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game, yes?
No. The Ravens haven’t either. Unfortunately, with the guys they’ve added on offense this year they stand a much better chance of erasing that stigma than we do. **
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I believe the Seattle Seahawks share this dubious distinction . . . I don’t think they’ve ever won a playoff game, and I don’t think they’ve ever even hosted one, though I am probably wrong about that.
If memory serves me correctly, the Buccaneers went 0-14 in their first season. The Seahawks couldn’t have done much worse. My father tells me that during a broadcast of the first Sea-Buc game the announcer said “Someone is going to win their first game today!” and the Bucs lost.
However, the Bucs are pretty decent these days.
And you who vote fore the cubbies, do you not remember that a few years ago they actually made the playoffs? Yes, they did.
No, what I said was correct. The Saints are the only NFL franchise never to win a playoff game. The franchise that incorporates the team that now calls itself the Ravens has a rather rich history.
If the OP had been restricted to teams only, I guess you could include the Ravens. However, it seems kindof premature to place a team into a “worst ever” category when it has only been around a few years.
I’m still reeling that someone would actually consider the Saints lovable or respectable.
Actually, under the terms of the agreement with the NFL and the city of Cleaveland, the Ravens have no connection with the former Browns. The franchise–it’s history, records, and so on (everything other than the actual team)–all stayed in Cleaveland. So yes, the Ravens have not won a playoff game. Ever. Hope they never do (Redskins fan here, but native Baltimoron).
Hey divemaster, I’ve got to agree with Myrr21 on this. But even if we accept your interpretation then what about the new Browns? You can’t have it both ways, either the new or the old Browns are winless in the playoffs.
Also, didn’t the league already sell that Houston franchise?
If so, I bet they haven’t won a playoff game yet.
I would seriously consider betting that Baltimore, Cleveland, and Houston will win a playoff game before the Saints do.
Of course, you are correct. I can’t have it both ways.
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All these whippersnapper young teams popping up like dandelions got me all confused. Let me tell you, back in my day, a football team was a real team and…(mumble mumble mumble)…What was I talking about?
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Say what you want about the Washington Generals, the guys that get beaten by the Globetrotters every night, but I’d be willing to bet money on them taking out the Clippers on any given night.
Over history, it’s the same deal. At least the Generals don’t have hopeful fans who have to crash every single year.
Didja ever see the Simpsons where Krusty is complaining about losing money betting on sports- " I thought the Generals were due!"LMAO.
MYRR-
I CAST THEE OUT, HEATHEN! BEGONE FROM THE LOVELY CITY OF BALTIMORE! THOU SHALT NOT SUPPORT THE REDSKINS UNLESS THOUGH LIVES AS FAR SOUTH AS BOWIE!
CAN’T wait until the purple and black kicks the burgandy and yellow all over FedEx Field on October 15th.
I’m still reeling that someone would actually consider the Saints lovable or respectable.
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As awful has the team has been, you have to give credit to the people who live in Louisiana that follow them. The home opener is apparently already sold out and it looks like three other games are close. 72,000 people for a team that went 3-13 last year? That’s hardcore.
Listen up, punk. I grew up in the soulless void that was Baltimore sans Colts (incidentally, my Middle school weight room was once used by the Colts for training). Well, that’s not completely true, but I was never old enough to remember them being there (I wasn’t aware of football until about age 6, when I learned all the rules and culture that apply).
So what’s a Baltimoron to do with no football team and a Redskins fan for a grandfather? I think the answer’s pretty obvious. How am I now supposed to switch over to some half-assed team that can’t even make it to the playoffs? I went to some of the games, and watched Vinny “I wish I was a real quarterback” Testaverte lob lollipops straight to the cornerbacks. And the QBs haven’t improved. Besides, we had no business stealing that team from Cleaveland–do you have any idea how many evil looks I get from my Cleaveland-dwelling friends. And they don’t even like football. I think I would fear for my life if I set foot in that city…
So yes, I’m a Redskins fan…ha! May the Ravens dwell in patheticness evermore.
Incidentally, I really liked the CFL coughColtscough…we had a championship team there…and it was kinda neat to see the wacky Canadian rules.
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I think I love you. No SHIT my Redskins are going to kick Baltimore’s ass up and down the field this season! Don’t listen to Dave…he’s clearly deluded.
And my vote for worst franchise? The Cincinnati Bungles…I mean Bengals.
Well, glad * somebody * knows what’s good for em; we couldn’t have the Ravens’ twits thinking they had us outnumbered here, could we?
Though I’m going to have to disagree with your choice of the Bengals. True, they are consistently pathetic; but IIRC, they were the opposition in Joe Montana’s first Super Bowl title–1989–in a classic QB duel with Boomer Esiason. Well, that’s my $.02
You tell you Cleveland dwelling associates to shut up and go back to toasting marshmellows over their river. IMHO, they have absolutely NO beef with us. They LOST the team, it just came here. Ask them why they spent 3/4 billion dollars on the Indians, Cavs ( CAVS!) and R&R Hall of Fame, while expecting the Browns to stay in a stadium that made Memorial Stadium seem palatial. They got a guarenteed team in 3 years, kept their name, heritage and ugly uniforms, and the NFL helped pay for the stadium! Plus, they got rid of an owner they detested. Give any Colts fan that option in 1984 and we would have jumped at the chance. Cleveland got a sweatheart deal, and I wish they would all just shut up about it.
The answer is “show some pride” and don’t go sucking up to a team owned by a man despertly trying to keep us from getting one. Even if you decided to cheer for the Foreskins because we had no team at the time, when we got one, THAT REASON WENT AWAY! Throw out those ugly burgandy clothes and support the home team. I was a Cowboys fan in the years 84-96,( mainly just because it was SOOO much fun to piss off Deadskin fans ) but as soon as it was anounced we had a new team, all my Cowboys stuff went to Goodwill, and I stocked up on purple and black clothing.
Falc, I told you before you were dreaming. By Oct. 15th, half of your over the hill team will be on IR, and they rest will be so scared of an owner who regularly shows up in the locker room to berate them that they won’t know a football from a soccer ball. Oh, and how do y’all like having an owner who charges $20 just to come watch practice? There’s a real prince of a guy.
And yes, the CFL Colts/Stallions were fun. Baltimore is still the only city to win a football championship in the NFL, CFL and USFL.
You tell you Cleveland dwelling associates to shut up and go back to toasting marshmellows over their river. IMHO, they have absolutely NO beef with us. They LOST the team, it just came here. Ask them why they spent 3/4 billion dollars on the Indians, Cavs ( CAVS!) and R&R Hall of Fame, while expecting the Browns to stay in a stadium that made Memorial Stadium seem palatial. They got a guarenteed team in 3 years, kept their name, heritage and ugly uniforms, and the NFL helped pay for the stadium! Plus, they got rid of an owner they detested. Give any Colts fan that option in 1984 and we would have jumped at the chance. Cleveland got a sweatheart deal, and I wish they would all just shut up about it.
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Weirdave, this if OT, but man you are off the mark. To say the Cleveland has no beef with Baltimore for stealing the team is just ludicrous. The city spent all that money on the Indians, Cavs and R&R HOF because it had a lease with the Browns for the old stadium, a lease that had been written by and for the Browns, and which the owner had promised to abide by. Baltimore bribed Modell into breaking the lease, a practice that is frowned on in all the courts of the land. The NFL’s help in building new Cleveland stadium is more accounting sleight of hand than actual financial help. Moreover, we Clevelanders didn’t hate Modell until he and his idiot son revealed themselves to be turncoats. Calling getting the Browns back a sweetheart deal is a mistake. The deal is sweet for the NFL and for the Browns new owner, but it is awfully expensive and anything but sweet for the townspeople.
