# What is this "agenda" scientists have against religion? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 1, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246 "2013-05-01T19:59:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/101 "2013-05-14T16:11:56Z")
> [@sisu](#): > > Depends on who you speak to, some say it’s a story meant as a moral play most probably based on a local flood event, these people (which is the majority of Christians) don’t believe that whole world was flooded. > > Fundamentals are loonies and to compare a modern Catholic with a fire and brimstone Baptist is wrong. The mistake us atheists make sometimes is assuming all Christians are fundamentals when in fact they are not. By capitalizing Flood I meant the Biblical version. You need develop a hypothesis for each particular legend, and some of them might even be true - local ones, for example. 300 years ago, though, many people believed in the Biblical one, today they don’t because it has been falsified. Catholics are an example of a religion which has adopted its cosmology to fit the facts. But we have to wonder how reliable their communication with God was given that God gave them so much bogus information. And some historical events are at the core of Christianity, such as Adam and Eve and original sin. I’m sure you’ve seen the explanation of how original sin was a human choice without Eden, which I’ve found so convoluted to make the typical Nixonian evasion seem straightforward. I’m Jewish, and in my education Adam and Eve were not that important, and not part of “real” history. However real history included the Exodus, so we’re no better off. ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/102 "2013-05-14T17:29:07Z")
> [@Ranger\_Jeff](#): > > It’s those secular humanists!! Right. Many claim that “atheistic scientists” are the ones pushing the concept of evolution. Some also say that anything that contradicts scripture is automatically wrong. Evidence doesn’t even matter in that case. ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/103 "2013-05-14T17:37:13Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > By capitalizing Flood I meant the Biblical version. You need develop a hypothesis for each particular legend, and some of them might even be true - local ones, for example. 300 years ago, though, many people believed in the Biblical one, today they don’t because it has been falsified. Well, we do have the Black Sea Deluge event. The flooding of what is now the Black Sea but which was probably the area where agriculture started. It happened about 5600 BC and might be what caused the spread of agriculture into Europe. Though unlikely, due to the time span involved, it just might be the small kernel at the base of the Flood story. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/104 "2013-05-14T18:26:24Z")
> [@Latro](#): > > Well, we do have the Black Sea Deluge event. The flooding of what is now the Black Sea but which was probably the area where agriculture started. It happened about 5600 BC and might be what caused the spread of agriculture into Europe. > Though unlikely, due to the time span involved, it just might be the small kernel at the base of the Flood story. A long time back someone on talk.origins posted a big batch - dozens - of flood stories from around the world, and they were fascinating to read. Some involved boats, some involved rafts, some, like the Greek flood story, involved mountains. Several had the heroes being the last people left - but when the flood dried up others walked over the mountains to see them. Nearly every place by a river (ie every place man lived) had floods, so it is impossible to tell whether a real big one or a relatively small one was the source of the legend. It is interesting that I am unaware of a flood legend like this from Egypt, but they understood their floods better than most. ---
**Author:** ![Didact\_Lectorem777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f05b48/32.png) [@Didact\_Lectorem777](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Didact_Lectorem777)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/105 "2013-05-15T01:43:44Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Because they don’t want to admit that the reason that their baseless, illogical, physically impossible fantasy is being dismissed is because it’s baseless, illogical and physically impossible . You know, that has a ring to it. Very poetic. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246/106 "2013-05-15T06:03:55Z")
And I’ll bet your bathtub has a ring to it. Very disgusting. :D:p [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-agenda-scientists-have-against-religion/657246.md?page=5)