# What is this old SUV? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [September 10, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045 "2014-09-10T01:48:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/1 "2014-09-10T01:48:08Z")
I’m usually good at this stuff, but this one got me stumped: [![](https://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sometimes-a-Great-Notion.jpg) ](https://bangshift.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Sometimes-a-Great-Notion.jpg) Anyone got any ideas? btw…screenshot from Paul Newman’s “Sometimes a Great Notion” ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/2 "2014-09-10T01:50:44Z")
> **[Chevrolet C-30 Panel in "Sometimes a Great Notion"](http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_384241-Chevrolet-Panel-Truck-C-30-1966.html)** 1966 Chevy Panel Truck ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/3 "2014-09-10T11:18:12Z")
Back in the 1980s a boyfriend of mine had one of those - early or mid '60s, with no windows. He bought it at an auction; it was a retired Wayne county (Detroit) coroner’s wagon. ---
**Author:** ![nizzle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8baadc/32.png) [@nizzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nizzle)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/4 "2014-09-10T13:35:19Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > Back in the 1980s a boyfriend of mine had one of those - early or mid '60s, with no windows. He bought it at an auction; it was a retired Wayne county (Detroit) coroner’s wagon. Makes sense it was a coroners wagon, plenty of room for a cadaver in the back ---
**Author:** ![SeldomSeen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7ba0ec/32.png) [@SeldomSeen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SeldomSeen)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/5 "2014-09-10T16:27:11Z")
As noted, long-wheelbase Chevy panel, essentially an earlier version of today’s Suburban. In the context of the movie it was known as a “crummy” in logger’s lexicon. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/6 "2014-09-10T16:48:46Z")
> [@SeldomSeen](#): > > As noted, long-wheelbase Chevy panel, essentially an earlier version of today’s Suburban. In the context of the movie it was known as a “crummy” in logger’s lexicon. Perhaps the nittiest of nitpicks, but it wasn’t an earlier version of the Suburban because the Suburban was available at that point (and has been since the 40’s, making it one of the oldest nameplates.) What that appears to be is the panel truck version, which would have originally had only a front seat and no back windows, which has some oddball extra windows added to make it an ersatz Suburban. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/7 "2014-09-10T17:37:30Z")
Coincidentally, I stayed at the Stamper house just this last weekend, and watched the movie. I thought the truck was neat, too! (The house is pretty interesting, and for sale!) ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/8 "2014-09-10T18:06:13Z")
Really, **Iggins**? That’s way cool, it was with friends or is the place for rent? I loved this [movie](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=689527&highlight=notion) as well. I wonder if that actual truck is still around. I’d try and buy it in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/9 "2014-09-10T18:13:19Z")
It’s a rental these days. Here is the for sale info: > **[803 S Millport Slough Rd, Lincoln City, OR 97367 | Zillow](https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/803-S-Millport-Slough-Rd-Lincoln-City-OR-97367/84124924_zpid/)** > > 803 S Millport Slough Rd, Lincoln City OR, is a Single Family home that contains 4543 sq ft and was built in 1970.It contains 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms.This home last sold for $599,000 in November 2014. > > The Rent Zestimate for this Single Family is... I didn’t see any indication of the truck or other memorabilia in the area. The little dock building across the river is just a few pylons now… The house is cool, as the rooms are all slightly oversized, and they have put in a pretty nice kitchen. It’s on the end of a long secluded driveway. I did notice that the river (slough) was much lower now than it was in 1970. ---
**Author:** ![48Willys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/db5fbb/32.png) [@48Willys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/48Willys)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/10 "2014-09-10T20:14:48Z")
> [@GreasyJack](#): > > Perhaps the nittiest of nitpicks, but it wasn’t an earlier version of the Suburban because the Suburban was available at that point (and has been since the 40’s, making it one of the oldest nameplates.) What that appears to be is the panel truck version, which would have originally had only a front seat and no back windows, which has some oddball extra windows added to make it an ersatz Suburban. Man did this photo bring back memeories! My family had/has one, it is indeed an early to mid 60s Chevy or GMC Carry All. We may still have it on one of the farms or ranches. The windows in the rear are factory installed. It has the 283 CID V-8 with the four speed granny tranny that was so useful in the woods. We use(d) it like a pickup with a canopy to keep our equipment dry in the PNW. It was better then a pickup as you could haul a crew of eight, plus their tools, in it. This rig was called “The Bus” or “The Crummy” when we were using it for a crew carrier in our logging business. She got the living Hell beat out of her. I know she was still in use about five years ago. Our Crummy is/was a 1965 model year. They all look the same from 1960-1967 or so, except for minor changes to the grill, that is. Acorrding to WIKI, it is a Suburban Carry All. Ours had no Suburban nameplate on it anywhere, nor did the owners manual, so IDK if it is a Suburban. I loved that movie, even though it was not very realistic. I have been in that house and I wish that I could afford it. Cool house and location, if you do not need an income. When I lived there, The only access to the house was by boat across the Siletz river. I believe that is still true. The house can be seen from the Siletz river highway witch is two lane black top! You have to know where, and you have to watch closely. Beware of the log trucks. The Siletz river area is near the coastal town of Taft, now part of Lincoln City. The town of Siletz is small and most of the townsfolk are members of the Siletz tribe. When I was there most of the industry was ranching, or logging. There is good fishing and hunting in the area. The coast range is beautiful at any time of the year. ---
**Author:** ![Iggins](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Iggins](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggins)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/11 "2014-09-10T21:08:56Z")
> [@48Willys](#): > > When I lived there, The only access to the house was by boat across the Siletz river. I believe that is still true. The house can be seen from the Siletz river highway witch is two lane black top! You have to know where, and you have to watch closely. Beware of the log trucks. Heading south on 101, take the next left after the bridge, after the Siletz highway exit. It takes you down a road past a pottery shop and a glass blower. Directly after the glass blower is dirt road on the left which takes you down to the three homes located in the Nature Preserve. The house is the driveway on the right, about a 1/2 mile in… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/12 "2014-09-10T23:16:16Z")
These 60s Chevy/GMC panel trucks look cool… [http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964\_Chevrolet\_C30\_Panel\_Truck\_For\_Sale\_Front\_resize.jpg](http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964_Chevrolet_C30_Panel_Truck_For_Sale_Front_resize.jpg) [http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964\_Chevrolet\_C30\_Panel\_Truck\_For\_Sale\_Rear\_resize.jpg](http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964_Chevrolet_C30_Panel_Truck_For_Sale_Rear_resize.jpg) …but have a disadvantage; no rear doors. Just a tailgate or Barn Doors;) Even a true Suburban of the period has only three doors: one driver side and two passenger side. [http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/1206dp\_june\_2012\_readers\_diesels/37316971/1206dp\_05%2Bjune\_2012\_readers\_diesels%2B1968\_chevy\_suburban.jpg](http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/1206dp_june_2012_readers_diesels/37316971/1206dp_05%2Bjune_2012_readers_diesels%2B1968_chevy_suburban.jpg) A period 4 door suv would be an International Harvester Travelall: > ---
**Author:** ![48Willys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/db5fbb/32.png) [@48Willys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/48Willys)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/13 "2014-09-11T07:09:40Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > These 60s Chevy/GMC panel trucks look cool… > [http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964\_Chevrolet\_C30\_Panel\_Truck\_For\_Sale\_Front\_resize.jpg](http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964_Chevrolet_C30_Panel_Truck_For_Sale_Front_resize.jpg) > [http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964\_Chevrolet\_C30\_Panel\_Truck\_For\_Sale\_Rear\_resize.jpg](http://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/plugins/PostviaEmail/images/1964_Chevrolet_C30_Panel_Truck_For_Sale_Rear_resize.jpg) > > …but have a disadvantage; no rear doors. Just a tailgate or Barn Doors;) > > Even a true Suburban of the period has only three doors: one driver side and two passenger side. > [http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/1206dp\_june\_2012\_readers\_diesels/37316971/1206dp\_05%2Bjune\_2012\_readers\_diesels%2B1968\_chevy\_suburban.jpg](http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/1206dp_june_2012_readers_diesels/37316971/1206dp_05%2Bjune_2012_readers_diesels%2B1968_chevy_suburban.jpg) > > A period 4 door suv would be an International Harvester Travelall: > [international harvester travelall - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=international+harvester+travelall&client=firefox-a&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=fflb&biw=1920&bih=946&tbm=isch&imgil=nmhezSV0fnWapM%253A%253BTeSUWGk7LJ6dGM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.carsfotodb.com%25252Fpage%25252Finternational-harvester-travelall-airport-limousine%25252Fdefault.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=nmhezSV0fnWapM%253A%252CTeSUWGk7LJ6dGM%252C_&usg=__zfSS-fIGEAWUQCu6niWCN0r8tjo%3D&ved=0CCkQyjc&ei=49oQVMyzOtLhsAT6joLoDQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=gYWPfdKU67k21M%253A%3B2bZsDPcQmwPYqM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fupload.wikimedia.org%252Fwikipedia%252Fcommons%252F2%252F23%252F1965_IH_D1100_Travelall_front_right.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FInternational_Harvester_Travelall%3B3303%3B1827) Nitpic/ The “true Suburban” that you show is not from the same time period. 🙂 /End nitpic. Do you have a picture of the right side? I like the Travelall, but not as much as the Carryall. Four doors would have been nice, but “Real Men…” besides, they would have had to been a six or eight door. Maybe a four door with three on the right side? BTW, Willys made a “Hyrail”, a four door wagon used by railroads and logging companies in the fifties. It was, as far as I can tell, just a regular Willys Wagon with two extra doors. The Railroad ones had extra axles with small railroad wheels on them. I have never seen one in person, but I have seen many pictures of them. > [@Iggins](#): > > Heading south on 101, take the next left after the bridge, after the Siletz highway exit. It takes you down a road past a pottery shop and a glass blower. Directly after the glass blower is dirt road on the left which takes you down to the three homes located in the Nature Preserve. The house is the driveway on the right, about a 1/2 mile in… Iggins, Good to know, I have been on the road that these shops are on. I did not know about the dirt road. I came by canoe. Next trip, I will go see it again, by road this time. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/14 "2014-09-11T12:00:54Z")
> [@48Willys](#): > > Do you have a picture of the right side? [![](http://hotrodjos.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/100_2061.186192015_large.JPG) ](http://hotrodjos.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/100_2061.186192015_large.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2014, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/15 "2014-09-11T13:51:07Z")
Just to toss in my own personal nitpick, I’d like to say this doesn’t qualify as an SUV to me… it looks like it seats 8-10 people, which makes it a flat-out Utility Vehicle, neither small nor sporty, depending on your definition of SUV. ---
**Author:** ![indian3478](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@indian3478](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/indian3478)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-this-old-suv/698045/16 "2014-09-12T14:24:43Z")
That truck has been a work horse for Chevy . Many a camper has bee pulled all over with it .