We know that perry and Bachmann both deny evolution and deny global climate change.
This is just as anti-science as YEC.
Information is lacking for several candidates while most of the supposed “Creationists” are IDers which does allow for theistic evolution and not even that-some of them just support teaching Intelligent Design in schools which while a misguided idea doesn’t automatically make them Young Earth Creationists
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Again supporting teaching of Intelligent Design does not necesarilly mean one believes that.
See here: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/09/bush-says-creation-incompatible-evolution/
ID is not something that can be “taught.” It’s a pure religious belief with no basis in science or evidence. There’s nothing to teach.
Insisting on “intelligent design” being included in school curriculum means advocating for creationism over science. Reminds me of all those racists using “States rights” as a codeword.
I’ll grant you that some of the Republican candidates for President may not believe in intelligent design/creationism and are just pandering, but the effect is still the same. Copernicous and others went up against this kind of religious bigotry/anti-science 500 years ago.
Your assertion was “First of all very few Republican candidates have been directly questioned on their views on evolution”
How much further are you going to move those goalposts?
Go for it.
There is no niche in the GOP that Huntsman fills; as pointed out, in some respects he’s practically a Blue Dog Democrat. If Obama weren’t in the picture, odds are that Huntsman would get more primary votes if he ran as a BDD than as a Republican.
Religious beliefs certainly can be taught. How do you think they spread? And of course it has evidence. Evidence that they’re trying to explain away with logical fallacies based on religious assumptions.
ID is certainly not science and not scientific. It’s clearly a way to sell a specific religious idea to those who are otherwise inclined to accept science. I just think it’s strange to suggest that it can’t be taught.
I mean that ID has nothing to it besides the basic religious premise. Once you sate the belief, there’s nowhere else to go. No body of research, not testable hypothesis, no evidence, nothing. There’s no way to have a class on it. It has no content.
And many of them haven’t as the article shows. And I hope you concede your point that George W Bush was not a supporter of evolution.
Supporting teaching of Intelligent Design absolutely necessarily means that that person has no respect whatsoever for the truth. Either they’re self-deluded enough that they actually believe that nonsense, or they don’t believe it, but are willing to throw truth under the bus, anyway.
How could you say that? Even the article you linked quoted dubbya as being an Intelligent Design supporter.
Could we take the ID hijack elsewhere please? I’m sure you guys can fail to persuade each other in one of the numerous religious threads instead of the only Huntsman thread on the board.
To get back on topic: I’ve been a little surprised by the Daily Show’s reaction to Huntsman so far. Jon Stewart had Buddy Roemer on last week and has been criticizing the mass media’s treatment of Ron Paul, so he seems to have a bit of a thing for no-chance GOP candidates. But his treatment of Huntsman has been pretty dismissive so far.
Do you think Huntsman is ignored by the mainstream media, or just the Daily Show? The Daily Show is more about reporting particularly humorous or outlandish stuff that can easily be mocked. He’d have a hard time mocking Huntsman in a humorous way.
Just the Daily Show (I don’t live in the US, but assume that he’s being pretty much ignored by the mainstream media because of his low poll numbers).
As I said, I’m just a little perplexed by it… since Huntsman would seem to hit a number of Jon’s favorite topics and would give him a chance to make fun of the other GOP candidates through comparison.
Yes but you don’t need the comparison to make fun of the other GOP candidates. You can make fun of them solely with their own words.
While it’s not the primary reason, perhaps the fact that he’s from Utah has something to do with it. Top tier candidates tend to come from more populated states.
Stewart is being consistent – he’s equally mocking the disparity between media coverage and poll numbers in both cases. The two disparities are in opposite directions, but are equally absurd.
The International Space Station crew called. They want you to move those goalposts either closer in, or further out, but not leave them parked right there in their orbit.
Only if the poll numbers say it is safe to do so.
Crap! Is he running again? I thought the rule was two and out!