# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 106
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2102 "2014-04-19T07:31:26Z")
BTW, I have to say I’m enjoying the trash talk coming from the President lately. Reminds me of what I hear when I’m 10 points up on the court. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2103 "2014-04-19T11:49:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The law is working in the sense that it’s transforming the insurance market. Unfortunately for Democrats, that’s not what the public signed up for. Meaningless gibberish. > [@](#): > > But again, we’ll hash this out over the next few elections. I promise not to be a sore whiny loser if you will. We’ll hold you to this. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2104 "2014-04-19T12:03:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Meaningless gibberish. The public was told that we needed to cover the uninsured. That has not been the primary effect of the law. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2105 "2014-04-19T12:16:29Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The public was told that we needed to cover the uninsured. That has not been the primary effect of the law. Nonsense. The percentage of uninsured is going down. Your insistence on finding different ways to declare failure on a bill that is just beginning to show results is getting old. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2106 "2014-04-19T13:11:09Z")
Matched only by your insistence on finding different ways to declare it a success. Sure, the percentage of uninsured is going down. And a lot of people had to lose their insurance to make it happen. Guess which group votes more? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2107 "2014-04-19T13:12:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > BTW, I have to say I’m enjoying the trash talk coming from the President lately. Reminds me of what I hear when I’m 10 points up on the court. If that is applied to conservative trash talk about Obamacare, the game has been in the refrigerator for years. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2108 "2014-04-19T13:18:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Matched only by your insistence on finding different ways to declare it a success. Wrong again. I’m simply saying that it’s far too early to tell. > [@](#): > > Sure, the percentage of uninsured is going down. And a lot of people had to lose their insurance to make it happen. This is not supported by statistics. > [@](#): > > Guess which group votes more? Real people who got insurance, or (mostly) fantasy-world people who lost theirs? I’m going to go with the real people. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2109 "2014-04-19T14:04:03Z")
You can be assured that those people who supposedly don’t exist will be reminded that democrats insist they don’t exist. Perhaps you’ve missed the news stories on how Republicans are specifically targeting people who lost their insurance to get them to the polls. Which of course isn’t a problem if you actually believe they don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2110 "2014-04-19T14:06:31Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Which of course isn’t a problem if you actually believe they don’t exist. A small number probably do. But so far, nearly every individual or family the Republicans have trotted out for the cameras have turned out to be mistaken or lying. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2111 "2014-04-19T14:09:32Z")
That’s not true, but I guess if you take Harry Reid’s word for everything… ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2112 "2014-04-19T14:14:38Z")
But again, those of you who have been hurt by ACA? Not only do the Democrats not give a shit about you, they deny you even exist. In November, show them you exist. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2113 "2014-04-19T14:39:01Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > But again, those of you who have been hurt by ACA? Not only do the Democrats not give a shit about you, they deny you even exist. In November, show them you exist. Please do. I want to make the law better. I understand that it’s very possible that some people are being harmed by it (though I believe this number is quite small), and I want to help those people too. **iiandyiiii** – working to make America better. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2114 "2014-04-19T15:03:35Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > In November, show them you exist. Why don’t they show us _now_? Hmmm… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2115 "2014-04-19T15:19:21Z")
Further: This reminds me of the time they made such a fuss about repealing the inheritance tax (except they called it the “death tax”), on the grounds that so many families were being forced to sell their businesses or farms to pay it. Only problem was, they couldn’t find any. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2116 "2014-04-19T16:08:59Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Why don’t they show us _now_? Hmmm… > > 😉 _raises hand_ Prior to Obamacare I opted out of my employer provided insurance in order to work myself out of debt faster. In general I’m healthy and rarely use healthcare. When the occasion came about that I needed services I paid out of pocket. My expenses never came to more than I would have paid in premiums and deductibles. At the beginning of this year - the first year Obamacare went into effect premiums and deductible doubled. I thought it was too expensive before Obamacare. I was going to opt in this year. But prices doubled. I would have to spend almost $6000 in premiums and deductibles before seeing any benefits. It was half that before. [Here’s a video of Obama flat-out lying that his stupid plan will decrease premiums by 3000%. Yes, three-thousand! percent.](http://youtu.be/lUd-slJc-GY?t=1m6s) I can’t tell you how angry I feel when he says that. It is a betrayal. Now I’m going to have to pay a fine for not having insurance. What a farce. The fact that there are still so many drooling sycophants for this liar and his treasonous lies is just beyond me. Adaher, I’ve been following this thread for a long time now. I don’t know how you summon the patience. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2117 "2014-04-19T16:36:56Z")
That was pretty stupid, he should not have said that. That’s it, then, that and your personal anecdote, is your whole argument? And while we’re about it, explain to me how anything he has said qualifies as “treasonous”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2118 "2014-04-19T17:10:04Z")
[Obvious slip of the tongue](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-health-care-bill-lower-premiums/), immediately corrected to “three thousand _dollars_”. Don’t be ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2119 "2014-04-19T17:13:40Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That was pretty stupid, he should not have said that. Agreed, a bad claim on Obama’s part but not as bad as it seems. I remember this. He misspoke, the estimate he cited was actually $3000 and [corrected](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-health-care-bill-lower-premiums/). It had some basis in fact - but those estimates were made prior to the actual passage of the final bill. > [@](#): > > A report for the Business Roundtable, an association of big company CEOs, was the source for the claim that employers could save $3,000 per worker on health care costs, the White House said. > > Issued in November (2009) , the report looked generally at proposals that Democrats were **considering** to curb health care costs, concluding they had the potential to significantly reduce future increases. > > But **the analysis didn’t consider specific legislation** , much less the final language being tweaked this week. It’s unclear to what degree the bill that the House is expected to vote on within days would reduce costs for employers. (emphasis added) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2120 "2014-04-19T17:16:52Z")
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**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2014, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2121 "2014-04-19T17:31:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You can be assured that those people who supposedly don’t exist will be reminded that democrats insist they don’t exist. Perhaps you’ve missed the news stories on how Republicans are specifically targeting people who lost their insurance to get them to the polls. Two questions about these unfortunate wretches: 1) Do they still not have insurance, or did they get a better plan on Obamacare that they are now happy with? 2) Did they vote Republican before? Because if they vote Republican again, it’s not going to move the needle. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=105) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=107)