# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2342 "2014-05-12T22:24:43Z")
No they wouldn’t. People’s natural tendency is to be conservative about their health care. Once everyone has access to health care, the system usually does not change. Therefore, the only way you ever see single payer is if ACA fails. In which case you won’t see single payer then either, because the government won’t be trusted with health care a second time. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2343 "2014-05-12T22:40:44Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > People’s natural tendency is to be conservative about their health care. If by that you mean that people without insurance want it, that people with insurance want to keep it or improve it, and that they further want their neighbors without to get it, you’re right. So your opposition to actually implementing that is all the more puzzling, except perhaps when considered in terms of party loyalism before country and community. > [@](#): > > Once everyone has access to health care, the system usually does not change. Most other countries have had the sense to go right to single payer and see no _need_ to change. Nor would they dare suggest even minor tweaks, lest people like you insist they actually want to “repeal” their system. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Therefore, the only way you ever see single payer is if ACA fails. You can dream of that all you like. You may already start to realize you’re in a shrinking, and increasingly pathetic, minority by actually \*wanting \*that to happen. Your party’s single-minded focus (well, until switching that single mind to Benghazi lately) on opposing it, and even reversing the process, is already apparent to its own leadership as a severely losing position. There are, of course, a few adamant loyalists such as yourself still fighting against the last century’s worth of advances in civilization. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2344 "2014-05-12T22:44:39Z")
Most countries are not single payer. Most are multi-payer. If you’re referring to something like what we have, with three single payer systems plus people can choose not to use them at all, then that’s a possibility. In other words, Medicare could be made available to all if they fully pay in, but no one would be obligated to fund it beyond what people pay now in Medicare payroll taxes. So yeah, if you’re referring to a public option, and you want to call that a single payer system then I can see that happening. What will never happen is the abolition of private insurance for basic care. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2345 "2014-05-12T23:13:12Z")
Once again: It’s over, dude. You lost and it’s over. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2346 "2014-05-12T23:31:07Z")
I think we won. It’ll be a very long time before Democrats are given a window like they got in 2009-2010. The public now knows that they’ll completely ignore the public and pass whatever they want. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2347 "2014-05-12T23:36:57Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think we won. It’ll be a very long time before Democrats are given a window like they got in 2009-2010. The public now knows that they’ll completely ignore the public and pass whatever they want. That’s such fucking horseshit it bears comment. You think the ACA is what the Dems wanted given their druthers? We fight ignorance here. Not promulgate it. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2348 "2014-05-12T23:47:42Z")
Yet they passed it and are responsible for passing it. “we didn’t really want it” won’t get them full control of the government anytime soon. But then again, the electoral map for the House and Senate looks just as grim for Democrats as the Presidential map does for Republicans. I suspect that over the next 30 years we’ll be seeing at least 25 with the GOP controlling at least one chamber(and more often both), and the Democrats will probably win 6 of the next 8 Presidential elections. Which is fine by me, the great thing about being a conservative is that you don’t need to control everything. YOu just need one veto point. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2014, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2349 "2014-05-12T23:54:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think we won. It’ll be a very long time before Democrats are given a window like they got in 2009-2010. The public now knows that they’ll completely ignore the public and pass whatever they want. Of all the silly things you’ve said… this may be the silliest. You’ve demonstrated, time and time again, a very, very poor reading of public opinion. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2350 "2014-05-13T01:10:18Z")
Not this time. The Democrats have had only three opportunities in my lifetime to control all three branches of the government and were booted decisively from that control very quickly all three times. 1980, 1994, and 2010. Each duration between Democratic control was slightly longer than the last. If the pattern holds, the Democrats will next be entrusted with complete control of the government in 2028, and that will of course only last two years as it always does. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2014, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2351 "2014-05-13T02:15:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I think we won. :eek: You’re _never_ going to move on to Benghazi, are you? > [@](#): > > The public now knows that they’ll completely ignore the public and pass whatever they want. This must be what a breakdown looks like, folks. ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2352 "2014-05-15T14:29:46Z")
My 60 year old wife’s policy has had a [requested](http://seattletimes.com/ABPub/zoom/html/2023615158.html) increase of $17/month (3%)!!! Those greedy insurers - we may have to give up that second Latte on our Sunday walks. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2353 "2014-05-15T23:05:50Z")
Scott Brown seems to have jumped head-first into the anti-ACA bandwagon. Apparently it’s [the only thing he ever talks about.](http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/scott-brown-2014-romneycare-obamacare-106669.html?hp=t1_3) I don’t know a damn thing about NH internal politics or Jeanne Shaheen’s supposed vulnerability, but Brown’s blatant hypocrisy and political opportunism is entirely obvious. Frustrating. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2014, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2354 "2014-05-15T23:08:27Z")
Shouldn’t be. Should be a walkover for Shaheen if Brown’s only message is that he’s against ACA. That is, if the law is gaining popularity all the time as so many say here. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2355 "2014-05-17T07:33:55Z")
If we can take a break from our usual, a pretty important policy has been announced, and since Rush Limbaugh hasn’t told me what to think about it yet, I’d love to hear some thoughts: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/05/16/cost-control\_plan\_for\_health\_care\_could\_cost\_you\_122660.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/05/16/cost-control_plan_for_health_care_could_cost_you_122660.html) ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2356 "2014-05-17T07:40:10Z")
And in other interesting news, the administration is weighing proposals from three red states to expand Medicaid, but under conditions the states’ conservative governments like. The article focuses primarily on Indiana’s HIP program. [http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-washpost-bc-health-indiana15-20140515,0,1859161.story](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-wp-washpost-bc-health-indiana15-20140515,0,1859161.story) To me, this one’s a no-brainer. The President has claimed again and again that he’s willing to listen to good ideas from Republicans, and even if these red state programs don’t meet all the requirements he wants, there’s no doubt that low income citizens in those states will be much better off than they were before. He should accept the states’ terms for expanding Medicaid. ---
**Author:** ![TimeWinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@TimeWinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TimeWinder)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2357 "2014-05-17T13:29:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Shouldn’t be. Should be a walkover for Shaheen if Brown’s only message is that he’s against ACA. That is, if the law is gaining popularity all the time as so many say here. You and he share the misconception that every voter is a single issue voter, and the ACA is that single issue. The rest of us moved on about a half decade ago, come join us when you’re ready. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2358 "2014-05-17T14:25:23Z")
Shaheen wishes there were more voters like you. Judging by the polls, she has a bit of a problem. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2014, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2359 "2014-05-17T16:41:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Shaheen wishes there were more voters like you. Judging by the polls, she has a bit of a problem. Judging by the polls, and by Nate Silver’s forecasts, Shaheen has small (but not tiny). So yes, just a little bit of a problem, but not more than that. ---
**Author:** ![Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omg_a_Black_Conservative)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2360 "2014-05-18T02:47:39Z")
> [@TimeWinder](#): > > You and he share the misconception that every voter is a single issue voter, and the ACA is that single issue. The rest of us moved on about a half decade ago, come join us when you’re ready. Well, Democrats tend to think of certain groups as single issue voters so… Anyway, call me crazy, but I think the ACA is a pretty darn big deal for a lot of people. I guess we’ll see come November, won’t we? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2014, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2361 "2014-05-18T03:08:05Z")
> [@Omg\_a\_Black\_Conservative](#): > > Well, Democrats tend to think of certain groups as single issue voters so… I was thinking the same thing. Democrats rely on single issue voters a lot more than Republicans do. That single issue being, “Republicans are waging a war on (insert interest group here)”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=119)