# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 120
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2382 "2014-05-19T00:41:34Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > And yet you keep repeating your failed one. You’re not right, and no one who isn’t a blind ideologue will think you are. > [@](#): > > Anything not earned is a handout. That’s just a fact. Only if you have a hilariously silly definition of handout. Without the largess of the governments you’ve lived under, you’d most likely be a dirt farmer with a huge parasite load. Just like most of us. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2383 "2014-05-19T02:58:28Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Horse fucking shit. > > Do you even care if what you say has any bearing on reality? You suggest Dems rely on single issue voters more than the GOP? > > _Guns, abortion, tax cuts_. Jesus fucking Christ. The utter disregard for reality and saying whatever you want in the moment and pretending it’s a carefully thought out argument is amazing. No, “war on women” wasn’t meant to be a single-issue theme. Oh wait, it wasn’t: it was a zero issue theme: “Vote Democrat because Republicans are sexist meanies!” So you’re right, I was wrong. Democrats rely on no-issue voters, not single-issue voters. The single-issue voters are the ones voting to preserve their monthly check. Another 70% of them vote Dem because of peer pressure(You’re a traitor to your group if you vote Republican!), and then there’s the 10% who are just principled liberals. Yet think they run the party.Well, they sorta do, because they are the only ones with an interest in the party higher than their base emotions or financial interests. Liberals love to complain about how the base controls the GOP and makes them crazies. Eventually the same thing will happen to the Democrats, and it will be way funnier, I assure you. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2384 "2014-05-19T11:05:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, “war on women” wasn’t meant to be a single-issue theme. Oh wait, it wasn’t: it was a zero issue theme: “Vote Democrat because Republicans are sexist meanies!” > > So you’re right, I was wrong. Democrats rely on no-issue voters, not single-issue voters. The single-issue voters are the ones voting to preserve their monthly check. Another 70% of them vote Dem because of peer pressure(You’re a traitor to your group if you vote Republican!), and then there’s the 10% who are just principled liberals. Yet think they run the party.Well, they sorta do, because they are the only ones with an interest in the party higher than their base emotions or financial interests. > > Liberals love to complain about how the base controls the GOP and makes them crazies. Eventually the same thing will happen to the Democrats, and it will be way funnier, I assure you. More rectum-derived nonsense. Why bother posting such drivel? Why bother putting percentages on such obviously made-up silliness? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2385 "2014-05-19T11:16:34Z")
**adaher** , there are so many liberals/progressives/Democrats/etc here – and none of us think the way the fantasy-world liberals/progressives/Democrats/etc in your own mind and posts do. Are we just the outliers, or could it be that you just have absolutely no frickin’ idea why liberals/progressives/Democrats/etc think the way we do? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2386 "2014-05-19T13:50:17Z")
Well, drugs, mostly. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2387 "2014-05-19T14:05:07Z")
Politico came out with [some bad poll numbers today.](http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/politico-poll-shows-mounting-danger-for-dems-106814.html?hp=t1) I’m not going to spin it, but it just goes to show folks like **adaher** that lefties such as myself are more than capable at taking in info from BOTH sides of the aisle. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2388 "2014-05-19T14:24:15Z")
> [@2ManyTacos](#): > > Politico came out with [some bad poll numbers today.](http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/politico-poll-shows-mounting-danger-for-dems-106814.html?hp=t1) I’m not going to spin it, but it just goes to show folks like **adaher** that lefties such as myself are more than capable at taking in info from BOTH sides of the aisle. Yup, pretty lousy. A bit small for a nation-wide sample (hence the \>4% error bars). Also pretty damn old (started May 2). But definitely another data point showing a GOP takeover of the Senate is probably something like a 2-to-1 favorite right now. It’s definitely way outside of the trend line for generic ballots - the RCP average is DEM +0.2. Will be interesting to watch. I think the conventional wisdom is that the Democrats need to be +4 or more to break even in a mid-term. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2389 "2014-05-19T14:53:12Z")
"A quarter of voters said they were unsure of their preference. Among these critical voters, Obama’s job approval is a perilous 40 percent, and nearly half say they **favor outright repeal of the Affordable Care Act**. Sixty percent say they believe the debate over the law is not over, compared with 39 percent who echo the president’s position and say the ACA debate has effectively concluded." ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2390 "2014-05-19T14:59:39Z")
Here, let me fix that for you: > [@Terr](#): > > Among these critical voters, Obama’s job approval is a perilous 40 percent, and **nearly half** say they favor outright repeal of the Affordable Care Act. " So repeal is unlikely, given that a minority of voters favor it. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2391 "2014-05-19T15:08:42Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Here, let me fix that for you:So repeal is unlikely, given that a minority of voters favor it. Because you see, it is ALWAYS what the majority of voters is in favor of that happens. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2392 "2014-05-19T16:30:06Z")
Not under current Senate rules or current House districting. Why can’t you be happy with those? Weren’t you also happy with a minority-support president the last time around? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2393 "2014-05-19T16:36:23Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > Because you see, it is ALWAYS what the majority of voters is in favor of that happens. What an odd conclusion, that “ALWAYS” is the antonym of “unlikely”. No wonder you have a problem swaying the opinions of others. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2394 "2014-05-19T16:55:01Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What an odd conclusion, that “ALWAYS” is the antonym of “unlikely”. No wonder you have a problem swaying the opinions of others. I can name any number of issues where the majority of the voters is for something but what is legislated is another thing. Like making marijuana legal. Or that big majority that think that US government is not aggressive enough in deporting illegal immigrants. Or the majority that support late term abortion bans. Or, for that matter, the big majority that wants ACA repealed or changed. ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2395 "2014-05-19T17:14:23Z")
Just to add to my previous post: there is also 58% of Americans who favor allowing abortion only in “a few circumstances” or never. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2396 "2014-05-19T17:19:32Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > the big majority that wants ACA repealed or changed. Those are two very disparate concepts to lump together so casually, aren’t they? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2397 "2014-05-19T17:20:10Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Those are two very disparate concepts to lump together so casually, aren’t they? :rolleyes: As opposed to leaving it as it is, which is what is happening right now and which is my point. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2398 "2014-05-19T17:25:08Z")
Those things are both opposed to it, yes - but one is opposed in the direction of eliminating it and forgetting it ever happened, and one is opposed in the direction of locking in the advances we’ve already made and making the system even better. Now why do you think they’re effectively synonymous? Or do you? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2399 "2014-05-19T17:41:39Z")
Hell, I’m opposed to leaving it like it is, it very much needs to be changed to become more like real honest-to-Trotsky socialized medicine. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2400 "2014-05-19T17:59:45Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > No, “war on women” wasn’t meant to be a single-issue theme. Oh wait, it wasn’t: it was a zero issue theme: “Vote Democrat because Republicans are sexist meanies!” Draconian abortion restrictions, trying to get birth control taken off of insurance policies, and against equal pay for equal work. All women’s issues, all pushed strongly by the sitting GOP. You simply don’t know what you’re talking about, and worse, you frame what you say as if you do. > [@](#): > > So you’re right, I was wrong. Democrats rely on no-issue voters, not single-issue voters. The single-issue voters are the ones voting to preserve their monthly check. Another 70% of them vote Dem because of peer pressure(You’re a traitor to your group if you vote Republican!), and then there’s the 10% who are just principled liberals. Yet think they run the party.Well, they sorta do, because they are the only ones with an interest in the party higher than their base emotions or financial interests. You’re having trouble understand what is being said. I didn’t say “no” single issue voters. I said that the GOP is more dependent on them. Which I showed, not that you’ll be willing to accept that. > [@](#): > > Liberals love to complain about how the base controls the GOP and makes them crazies. Eventually the same thing will happen to the Democrats, and it will be way funnier, I assure you. The liberal base doesn’t run the Dems. It’s a centrist party, it may sway in the future, for right now, the GOP is run by complete idiots and voting for them makes the country worse. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2014, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2401 "2014-05-19T18:08:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hell, I’m opposed to leaving it like it is, it very much needs to be changed to become more like real honest-to-Trotsky socialized medicine. So you do want to get rid of it! You do support the Republicans’ “repeal and fuck off” agenda! 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=119) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=121)