# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2014, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2542 "2014-06-14T16:19:20Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The government currently spends a lot more than it takes in, under Clinton tax levels. Are you satisfied with the current federal commitments to various programs? If so, you still need to raise some more money. > > If you want the government to do even more things, then you need a LOT more money, and a plan for managing it all would be helpful, since the President has proven that the government is unmanageable by elected officials at its current size. I’ll be really interested in hearing about that plan. There are a great many cuts I would make. For instance, I would make fairly significant cuts to the military. I would cut oil subsidies. Unlike the nihilists running the Tea Party GOP, I’d be for stimulating the economy, which would raise tax revenues. But when you have a religious mantra like, “Tax Cuts Increase Revenue” and you intone it at every problem, it acts as a substitute for intelligent decision making. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2543 "2014-06-22T15:12:17Z")
The folks of this board should keep their eyes open for ACA news this coming week. The SCOTUS is likely to issue its ruling on the contraception case tomorrow, and the DC Circuit will probably follow soon with its ruling in Halbig v. Sebelius. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2544 "2014-06-22T19:54:08Z")
Rear-guard actions at best. The battle is over. [These charts](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/22/1308346/-We-have-a-crappy-healthcare-system?detail=hide) help show just how poor a job the vaunted Private Sector has done with US health care. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2545 "2014-06-22T20:39:10Z")
The contraception mandate isn’t even a rear guard action, it’s more like Tanzania in WWI. But that won’t stop liberals from howling if the court doesn’t rule their way. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2546 "2014-06-22T23:44:00Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The contraception mandate isn’t even a rear guard action… If it were better guarded, we’d have no need for contraception. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2547 "2014-06-23T11:19:54Z")
If you’re guarding your _rear_, you have no need for contraception. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2548 "2014-06-23T16:24:04Z")
Now that literally every single sky-is-falling prediction about the ACA has been disproved with certifiably laugh-out-loud clarity, the GOP is at last [showing their true colors in terms of ACA hatred.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/republicans-finally-admit-why-they-hate-the-aca.html) Spoiler alert: It has absolutely **nothing** with legitimate gripes about the policy itself - because, again, the ACA **is the GOP policy** - as opposed to an institutional & philosophical opposition to expanded health care access in general. I’ve been saying the exact same thing in this thread for months; I’m honestly surprised that it has taken the media this long to catch onto this fact. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2549 "2014-06-23T17:35:36Z")
Every single sky is falling prediction disproved? Thats pretty disconnected from reality. It was predicted that people would lose their insurance, people lost their insurance. Oh wait, people are angry only because they really wanted single payer, I forgot. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2550 "2014-06-23T17:39:22Z")
For strained, goal-oriented definitions of “losing one’s insurance” only. Been over this. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2551 "2014-06-23T17:39:56Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Every single sky is falling prediction disproved? Thats pretty disconnected from reality. It was predicted that people would lose their insurance, people lost their insurance. Oh wait, people are angry only because they really wanted single payer, I forgot. Carry on. The number of people who think they pay more is vastly overstated. Often, when fact checkers dig into their personal situation, they find that they actually are paying less. Are a few people going to pay more? Yes. Are some going to have to change their insurance? Yes, often because their insurer chose to drop out of the business or their old plan sucked monkey snot. Most people are pretty much untouched, a lot of people are much better off, and a few may be marginally worse off. Looks like a success to me. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2552 "2014-06-23T17:40:09Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Every single sky is falling prediction disproved? Thats pretty disconnected from reality. It was predicted that people would lose their insurance, people lost their insurance. Oh wait, people are angry only because they really wanted single payer, I forgot. Carry on. How many people lost their insurance? Also, how many of those typically would have lost their insurance anyway? How many of them got replacement insurance that provided more coverage? Can you please answer those questions, if you know the answers? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2553 "2014-06-23T17:49:52Z")
Okay, so the disaster DID happen, but it was good for the people it happened to. IF that was the case, why lie about it beforehand? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2554 "2014-06-23T18:05:26Z")
If Obama had said “IF you like your insurance and IF your insurance is ACA-compliant and IF your insurer doesn’t get out of the business you can keep your insurance. IF you like your doctor and IF your doctor accepts your new insurance IF you have to change or IF your doctor still accepts your old insurance IF you don’t have to change, you can keep your doctor”, would that have made you happy? Looks like you are picking an ever shrinking nit. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2555 "2014-06-23T18:55:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Okay, so the disaster DID happen No disaster happened. Except for your party, in the political and especially electoral sense, but they earned it. > [@](#): > > why lie about it beforehand? Unfortunately it was necessary to dumb the explanations way, \*way \*down to break through the wall of lies your guys told, and for that matter are continuing to tell. Some detail was lost in so doing, yes, but would have failed to get through anyway. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2556 "2014-06-23T22:49:53Z")
The administration of excuses continues to have its enablers. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2014, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2557 "2014-06-23T22:51:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The administration of excuses continues to have its enablers. What’s the point of posting these Hannity talking points? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2014, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2558 "2014-06-24T19:51:37Z")
You live in Florida, you say, **adaher**? [Then this ought to be \*good \*news](http://health.wusf.usf.edu/post/no-rate-increase-can-it-be#.U6miaadwweR.twitter)for you. > [@](#): > > Something unprecedented may be unfolding in Florida’s individual health-insurance market: None of the nine companies that have filed their 2015 rate requests so far wants an increase. > > In fact, two of the companies – Molina Healthcare of Florida and Sunshine Health – actually requested a price cut. > … > The filings apply only to plans in which individuals will enroll for next year, the federal marketplace that has the online address [www.Healthcare.gov](http://www.Healthcare.gov). Of course, there \*is \*a point of view by which this constitutes a disaster. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2559 "2014-06-25T01:58:46Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > You live in Florida, you say, **adaher**? [Then this ought to be \*good \*news](http://health.wusf.usf.edu/post/no-rate-increase-can-it-be#.U6miaadwweR.twitter)for you.Of course, there \*is \*a point of view by which this constitutes a disaster. 😉 DEFLATION!! The US is bound for decades of the same sort of problems as Japan - We all know that deflation is the opposite of growth, and “The Bams”, socialist that he is, couldn’t be happier ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2560 "2014-06-25T03:29:44Z")
THat’s fantastic news. Did anyone predict that ACA would have no benefits, that nothing would go better than expected? I do know there are some who seem to insist that nothing is going worse than expected, or badly. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2014, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/2561 "2014-06-25T12:49:05Z")
The word “disaster” appeared in this thread, not too long ago. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=129)