# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 162
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3222 "2014-11-16T23:51:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The people have spoken. They spoke in 2012, too, didn’t they? What did they say? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3223 "2014-11-17T00:32:57Z")
This time, its different. You see, America is basically a conservative, center right country… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3224 "2014-11-17T23:33:34Z")
[Sen. Angus King gets down to basics:](http://www.examiner.com/article/fox-news-hosts-left-completely-embarrassed-by-senator-live-on-the-air) > [@](#): > > Wait a minute, wait a minute. Tax and penalize? Hold it, hold it, hold it. We’ve got eight million people that have insurance now that didn’t before and don’t lecture me about this because 40 years ago, I had insurance. If I hadn’t had it, it caught a cancer that saved my life. If I hadn’t had insurance I’d be dead!" > … > “I don’t know who this guy was,” King said, noting that “all I know is that it’s important for people to have health insurance. And if you guys are saying people shouldn’t have health insurance, I don’t know where you’re coming from.” The Fox News hosts denied that they were pushing for Americans not to have health insurance, but King still asked, “are you that cruel? That is what you’re saying.” ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2014, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3225 "2014-11-28T18:46:52Z")
I do think that we will have a first test case about what happens in regards to public perception & backlash when the benefits of the ACA are _taken away_ from people. In the wake of the 2014 election, it appears that [Medicaid expansion in Arkansas is likely dead going forward.](http://acasignups.net/14/11/26/arkansas-aca-private-medicaid-option-218k) ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3226 "2014-11-29T17:55:46Z")
I moved, interstate, so I have to get new health insurance starting in 2015, here in TX: Four people (wife, two kids and I) Old insurance: $850/month premium, $5000 family deductible, $9000 max out of pocket. New insurance on the exchange that allows me access to same doctors: $1200/month premium, $12500 family deductible, $24500 max out of pocket. What do you think my opinion of the Affordable Care Act is? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3227 "2014-11-29T19:00:25Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > What do you think my opinion of the Affordable Care Act is? Misguided. Looks to me like you deliberately contrived the most expensive plan you could hang on Obamacare for the purposes of whining. Ain’t buying it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3228 "2014-11-29T19:02:31Z")
How much of a factor was “same doctors”? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3229 "2014-11-29T19:13:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Misguided. Looks to me like you deliberately contrived the most expensive plan you could hang on Obamacare for the purposes of whining. Ain’t buying it. This is like the 3rd cheapest silver plan and the ONLY one that I can use with my doctors. All the others, when I checked, only my general practitioner was in the network, NO other doctors were. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3230 "2014-11-29T19:20:30Z")
Is it your impression that your experience is the norm with ACA? Are there howls of outrage flooding the country like mildfire, and the liberal media is covering it up? ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3231 "2014-11-29T19:23:29Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Is it your impression that your experience is the norm with ACA? Are there howls of outrage flooding the country like mildfire, and the liberal media is covering it up? [GALLUP: Record Number Americans Foregoing Medical Care Over Costs](http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/28/gallup-peak-number-of-americans-delaying-medical-care-over-costs/) Come on, try the “it would have been worse without Obamacare” gambit again. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3232 "2014-11-29T20:51:37Z")
You are certainly free to offer the _Daily Caller_ as a strictly non-partisan and unbiased source. Far be it from me to attempt to infringe upon your liberties! ---
**Author:** ![Terr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Terr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terr)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2014, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3233 "2014-11-29T23:24:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You are certainly free to offer the _Daily Caller_ as a strictly non-partisan and unbiased source. Far be it from me to attempt to infringe upon your liberties! Weaseling. The source is Gallup. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3234 "2014-11-30T04:31:37Z")
Gruber said the goal of ACA wasn’t to save money, so that’s not a bug in the law per se. In all seriousness though, people do need to pick plans that are right for them. If you choose the lower premium you pay more out of pocket. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3235 "2014-11-30T04:52:24Z")
> [@Terr](#): > > [GALLUP: Record Number Americans Foregoing Medical Care Over Costs](http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/28/gallup-peak-number-of-americans-delaying-medical-care-over-costs/) > > Come on, try the “it would have been worse without Obamacare” gambit again. The gambit that is being made is by you and if this was chess you made a mess of the Rousseau Gambit, from 2001 to 2007 the rate increased from 19% to 30% a difference of 11%, very significant and **with no way to blame the ACA for**. From 2010 to 2014 the rate changed from 30% to 33%, so to be more fair there is not enough data yet to declare a trend but the difference was not as the way things were before. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3236 "2014-11-30T05:25:31Z")
So things are continuing to get worse, which is NEUTRAL for ACA? I don’t think so. You don’t promise things will be better and things just stay the same for most Americans. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3237 "2014-11-30T06:12:15Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > So things are continuing to get worse, which is NEUTRAL for ACA? I don’t think so. You don’t promise things will be better and things just stay the same for most Americans. Missing the point, there is no good data yet to claim that things are continuing to get as worse as before. Currently several states do not have full implementation, IMHO by now a lot of the very clear inefficiencies and injustice coming from the very states that refused to fully implement the change would had been apparent and a lot of people would be looking to the next step, that is to control costs more efficiently. As I pointed before, a nice republican racket, blame the new plan when a lot of what was happening in the past irrational one has not been taken care off yet, and it was thanks to the obstacles put by the same critics. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3238 "2014-11-30T06:26:01Z")
Gallup found something worse. More Americans are foregoing care due to cost. It might be time to consider cutting back on the coverage mandates. It’s making insurance too expensive. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3239 "2014-11-30T06:28:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Gallup found something worse. More Americans are foregoing care due to cost. It might be time to consider cutting back on the coverage mandates. It’s making insurance too expensive. Again, only willfully missing the point, as many factors have not been affected by the ACA yet; there is very little reason to blame the ACA for that increase that, once again, compared to what was going on in the past, is not a fair thing to do. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3240 "2014-11-30T06:32:20Z")
The coverage mandates are in effect, and it has raised the price of insurance as well as out of pocket costs. Nothing is free. Mandating these new requirements costs money. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2014, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3241 "2014-11-30T06:34:34Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > The coverage mandates are in effect, and it has raised the price of insurance as well as out of pocket costs. Nothing is free. Mandating these new requirements costs money. Again, not a significant increase compared to what was going on before. And once again, if one takes into account the usual increase in prices the accusation that the ACA is at fault is unfair. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=161) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=163)