# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 182
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2015, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3622 "2015-08-20T19:22:28Z")
Kaiser’s August [health tracking poll](http://kff.org/health-costs/poll-finding/kaiser-health-tracking-poll-august-2015/) has the ACA in positive territory – 44% favorable, 41% unfavorable. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2015, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3623 "2015-09-10T15:17:53Z")
A federal judge just ruled that the House has standing to sue in House v. Burwell. Here’s [Bagley’s](http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/oh-boy-here-we-go-again/) take on it. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3624 "2015-10-13T16:48:49Z")
For those interested, ol’ Jebbie has just come out with [health care plan.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-obamacare_561c712ae4b0c5a1ce60569b?8kf0f6r) It’s absolutely awful, but represents conservatives’ (laughably) unrealistic thinking about health care policy at this stage of the ACA’s life. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3625 "2015-10-13T18:33:54Z")
It’s still an improvement on Trump’s “repeal it and replace it with something terrific”, at least. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3626 "2015-10-13T22:49:12Z")
> **[Two largest Obamacare co-ops fold, 400,000 left without insurance](https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/life-insurance/two-largest-obamacare-coops-fold-400000-left-without-insurance-25667.aspx)** > > The failure of the insurance cooperatives created under the Affordable Care Act continues as the two leading companies announce they are going out of business. More than 400,000 Americans are now without health coverage as the insurance cooperatives created under the Affordable Care Act continue to fail. Two more co-ops closed their doors this weekend – the Kentucky Health Cooperative, which served 51,000 members, and Health Republic Insurance of New York, with 215,000. The announcements follow those of CoOportunity Health in Iowa and Nebraska, the Louisiana Health Cooperative and Nevada Health Co-Op. Health Republic Insurance of New York was the largest of the ACA nonprofit cooperatives, and was shut down by regulators after losing roughly $52.7 million in the first six months of the year. That is on top of a $77.5 million loss in 2014, according to regulatory filings. The news comes after a federal audit revealed in August that 22 of the 23 insurance cooperatives established under the ACA are losing money and facing difficulty repaying federal loans. Five of the 23 have now closed their doors, and 11 have received warning letters from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services placing them on "enhanced oversight.” * * * Seems to be working like a dream lol… ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3627 "2015-10-13T22:56:45Z")
What’s a dream lol? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3628 "2015-10-13T23:07:36Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > [Two largest Obamacare co-ops fold, 400,000 left without insurance | Insurance Business America](http://www.ibamag.com/news/healthcare/two-largest-obamacare-coops-fold-400000-left-without-insurance-25667.aspx) > > More than 400,000 Americans are now without health coverage as the insurance cooperatives created under the Affordable Care Act continue to fail. > > Two more co-ops closed their doors this weekend – the Kentucky Health Cooperative, which served 51,000 members, and Health Republic Insurance of New York, with 215,000. The announcements follow those of CoOportunity Health in Iowa and Nebraska, the Louisiana Health Cooperative and Nevada Health Co-Op. > > Health Republic Insurance of New York was the largest of the ACA nonprofit cooperatives, and was shut down by regulators after losing roughly $52.7 million in the first six months of the year. That is on top of a $77.5 million loss in 2014, according to regulatory filings. > > The news comes after a federal audit revealed in August that 22 of the 23 insurance cooperatives established under the ACA are losing money and facing difficulty repaying federal loans. Five of the 23 have now closed their doors, and 11 have received warning letters from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services placing them on "enhanced oversight.” > > * * * > > Seems to be working like a dream lol… If this is true, this number is dwarfed by the number of previously uninsured who have gained insurance due to the ACA. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3629 "2015-10-13T23:10:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What’s a dream lol? Well this particular dream entails making sure the health insurance companies collapse so the government can step in and socialize healthcare. Instead of losing 10’s of millions of dollars, the government will show those insurance companies how to lose 10’s of billions of dollars. Sad thing is the Republicans are cool with this as well. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3630 "2015-10-13T23:26:38Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Well this particular dream entails making sure the health insurance companies collapse so the government can step in and socialize healthcare. Instead of losing 10’s of millions of dollars, the government will show those insurance companies how to lose 10’s of billions of dollars. > > Sad thing is the Republicans are cool with this as well. And yet the “socialized” healthcare we enjoy in Canada costs much, much less per person, and delivers superior results. But then some rich people have to wait for elective joint surgery. So that makes it bad. Because money should buy me to the head of the line. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3631 "2015-10-13T23:26:54Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Well this particular dream entails making sure the health insurance companies collapse so the government can step in and socialize healthcare. Instead of losing 10’s of millions of dollars, the government will show those insurance companies how to lose 10’s of billions of dollars. > > Sad thing is the Republicans are cool with this as well. Not only are they cool with it, they caused the Kentucky Health Co-op to tank. From your cite: > [@](#): > > Co-op officials said they were expecting $77 million from the federal government to cover past and expected losses, but got only $9.7 million. The co-op lost $50 million last year, the most of any of the 22 co-ops created with subsidies from the reform law. > > **Less money was available from the federal government because of a restriction that Republicans added to the omnibus spending bill last December.** So yeah, Republicans succeeded in strangling the Kentucky Co-op. Which says nothing about the states where the legislatures are committed to the success of insuring more of their citizens. I wonder what Kentuckians think when they hear about people in other states getting affordable, reliable health insurance, while their own representatives are doing everything they can to deny it to their own constituents? ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3632 "2015-10-14T00:29:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And yet the “socialized” healthcare we enjoy in Canada costs much, much less per person, and delivers superior results. Someone needs to remind all the Canadian patients who are tired of waiting for procedures in their country’s national health system to stop coming to our much, much more expensive inferior hospitals then lol. ---
**Author:** ![canned\_mayhem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/53a042/32.png) [@canned\_mayhem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/canned_mayhem)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3633 "2015-10-14T00:35:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Not only are they cool with it, they caused the Kentucky Health Co-op to tank. From your cite:So yeah, Republicans succeeded in strangling the Kentucky Co-op. Which says nothing about the states where the legislatures are committed to the success of insuring more of their citizens. I wonder what Kentuckians think when they hear about people in other states getting affordable, reliable health insurance, while their own representatives are doing everything they can to deny it to their own constituents? Oh there is no doubt whatsoever that when Obamacare eventually fails like it was designed to do that it’ll all be blamed on the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3634 "2015-10-14T00:50:05Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Oh there is no doubt whatsoever that when Obamacare eventually fails like it was designed to do that it’ll all be blamed on the Republicans. Just how will we know if Obamacare fails? It certainly won’t be the failure of the [insurance companies who are reporting record profits](http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2015/0804/Aetna-beats-profit-estimates-Who-are-the-real-winners-with-Obamacare): > [@](#): > > “Among five of the largest health insurers – Aetna, Anthem, Cigna, Humana, and UnitedHealth Group – their stocks are up an average of 107% over the past two years,” Ed Snyder, a financial planner at Oaktree Financial Advisors in Carmel, Indiana, told the website Main St. So what are the signs of the healthcare apocalypse; the smiles on stockholder’s faces? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 9:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3635 "2015-10-14T09:48:11Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > Someone needs to remind all the Canadian patients who are tired of waiting for procedures in their country’s national health system to stop coming to our much, much more expensive inferior hospitals then lol. Except that the number of Americans travelling to Canada for healthcare is far, far greater than the number of Canadians coming to America for healthcare lol. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3636 "2015-10-14T12:02:33Z")
> [@canned\_mayhem](#): > > when Obamacare eventually fails like it was designed to do Could you perhaps go into slightly more detail about that? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3637 "2015-10-14T14:16:59Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > What’s a dream lol? It’s where his head is lolling around as he dreams. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3638 "2015-10-14T15:46:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Except that the number of Americans travelling to Canada for healthcare is far, far greater than the number of Canadians coming to America for healthcare lol. I don’t need a cite, but I’d just note that that’s an assertion just crying out for one. Yet no one did. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3639 "2015-10-14T16:20:15Z")
So, tell us, **adaher** , is the Republican alternative you’ve been telling us about for so long going to be unveiled before \*this \*election? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3640 "2015-10-14T16:29:30Z")
Jeb Bush has an alternative for what it’s worth. BTW, ACA, still not fully implemented yet.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/3641 "2015-10-14T16:42:46Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Jeb Bush has an alternative for what it’s worth. > > BTW, ACA, still not fully implemented yet.🙂 And yet it’s still massively reduced the uninsured rate, which appears to be still dropping (you could say that it’s in free-fall, perhaps). 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=181) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=183)