# What is your ongoing opinion of the Affordable Care Act? (Title Edited) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [January 17, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561 "2013-01-17T23:21:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 92
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1822 "2014-03-31T14:14:44Z")
Ted Cruz asked people on Facebook whether or not they were better off with Obamacare or not. [And the answers are…](http://aattp.org/ted-cruz-posted-an-anti-obamacare-poll-and-something-magical-happened-screenshots/) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1823 "2014-03-31T14:21:32Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Ted Cruz asked people on Facebook whether or not they were better off with Obamacare or not. > > [And the answers are…](http://aattp.org/ted-cruz-posted-an-anti-obamacare-poll-and-something-magical-happened-screenshots/) I’m not sure what you think that demonstrates. A bunch of people voted “yes” and gave positive comments. Is that really a surprise? Are you really advocating that we take an internet poll seriously? Are you really advocating that your cite is an objective one? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1824 "2014-03-31T14:24:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure what you think that demonstrates. A bunch of people voted “yes” and gave positive comments. Is that really a surprise? Are you really advocating that we take an internet poll seriously? Are you really advocating that your cite is an objective one? \ \ \ ETA something more substantial: we’re in a thread on the internet about people’s opinions about Obamacare. Here’s a bunch of people responding to a question about their opinion of Obamacare, many of which offer supporting information (you’'ll note that a lot of them are happy because they had previously been denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions). It’s pretty directly on topic. As for the rest of your questions, I’m failing to see where I said this is an objective cite that you should take as the end-all and be-all of data on popular opinion regarding Obamacare, so I have no idea what you’re on about. ---
**Author:** ![2ManyTacos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/3da27b/32.png) [@2ManyTacos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ManyTacos)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1825 "2014-03-31T14:28:44Z")
I think the ACA discriminates against Republicans. They’re the only ones who ever seem to indicate in these polls that the law has negatively affected them.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1826 "2014-03-31T14:30:40Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I’m not sure what you think that demonstrates. It demonstrates Ted Cruz is clueless about how social media works, and it blew up in his face. haHAH! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1827 "2014-03-31T14:37:34Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > It demonstrates Ted Cruz is clueless about how social media works, and it blew up in his face. haHAH! Well, I’ll admit to a touch of \*schadenfreude \* regarding Cruz’s assumed intentions in posting the poll but if it had just been a bunch of trolls saying “Yes, DUH” and offering up snark and abuse, I wouldn’t have bothered to link to it. The fact that so many of them actually explained **how** they were better off made it worth linking to. I’d rather have Cruz learn something about his constituents’ genuine healthcare insurance needs from it than just have him mocked for daring to ask the internet something. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1828 "2014-03-31T14:55:07Z")
Another thing it demonstrates is that Cruz may be so tightly shackled in his alternate-reality Obama-hating thought bubble that it truly hadn’t occurred to him that it was possible he’d get the response he did, that Obamacare really is pretty popular and getting to be more so. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1829 "2014-03-31T16:08:34Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > \ > > \ > > \ > ETA something more substantial: we’re in a thread on the internet about people’s opinions about Obamacare. Here’s a bunch of people responding to a question about their opinion of Obamacare, many of which offer supporting information (you’'ll note that a lot of them are happy because they had previously been denied insurance due to pre-existing conditions). It’s pretty directly on topic. > > As for the rest of your questions, I’m failing to see where I said this is an objective cite that you should take as the end-all and be-all of data on popular opinion regarding Obamacare, so I have no idea what you’re on about. Oh, OK. A cite called “Americans Against the Tea Party” is gleefully publishing a bunch of anecdotes about people who like the ACA. I would have never guessed! ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1830 "2014-03-31T16:10:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Oh, OK. A cite called “Americans Against the Tea Party” is gleefully publishing a bunch of anecdotes about people who like the ACA. I would have never guessed! I could post a link directly to Cruz’s Facebook page. Would that be better? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1831 "2014-03-31T16:17:05Z")
[Here, John](https://www.facebook.com/SenatorTedCruz). Scroll down to March 24. He hasn’t even pulled it, at the moment anyway. Take a look at the rest of the oppositionist platform there while you’re at it. Then come back and explain to us how they’re all the same down in DC, okay? ---
**Author:** ![jasg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f0a364/32.png) [@jasg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasg)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1832 "2014-03-31T16:28:21Z")
The LA Times [reports](http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#axzz2xYcpFLVI) that 9.5 Million _previously uninsured_ have gained coverage under the ACA. This includes exchange policies, Medicare expansion and under 26 on family policies. Also, 9 million (mostly previously insured) have purchased coverage directly from insurers instead of via an ACA exchange - including most of those who had non-ACA compliant policies cancelled. > [@LA Times](#): > > • Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates. > > Republican critics of the law have suggested that the cancellations last fall have led to a net reduction in coverage. > > That is not supported by survey data or insurance companies, many of which report they have retained the vast majority of their 2013 customers by renewing old policies, which is permitted in about half the states, or by moving customers to new plans. > > “We are talking about a very small fraction of the country” who lost coverage, said Katherine Carman, a Rand economist who is overseeing the survey. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1833 "2014-03-31T19:37:38Z")
We’re looking for net, not the normal churn in the market. Hey, 360 million jobs were created this year! It’s true, but doesn’t tell you anything. According to Gallup, the uninsured rate is not below normal historical levels. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1834 "2014-03-31T19:39:47Z")
You would also think that 9.5 million happy customers would move the needle on the polls a little: [http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama\_and\_democrats\_health\_care\_plan-1130.html](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1835 "2014-03-31T20:14:10Z")
\*Still \*with the for/against, no other options stuff? Srsly? ☹ ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1836 "2014-03-31T20:17:19Z")
I wasn’t aware that the real world contained other options. Is there a bill Reid is bringing up for a vote changing the law? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1837 "2014-03-31T20:19:40Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wasn’t aware that the real world contained other options. :rolleyes: It’s been explained to you patiently and frequently enough that, at this point, any lack of awareness is solely your own responsibility. And btw: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1838 "2014-03-31T20:26:10Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You would also think that 9.5 million happy customers would move the needle on the polls a little: > > [RealClearPolitics - Election Other - Public Approval of Health Care Law](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/obama_and_democrats_health_care_plan-1130.html) You mean like this? [http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/31/National-Politics/Polling/question\_13876.xml?uuid=rPbg\_rkGEeOA3i\_4gB8nrw#](http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/31/National-Politics/Polling/question_13876.xml?uuid=rPbg_rkGEeOA3i_4gB8nrw#) All Adults: 49% support, 48% oppose More Americans support than oppose the law now according to this poll. I’d call that movement of the needle, wouldn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1839 "2014-03-31T20:27:24Z")
you’ve explained it, your explanation just doesn’t mean anything. Reid is not going to allow a vote on any changes. It actually is a take or leave it proposition. Plus we don’t know what changes the voters want. You just blithely assume the changes voters want wouldn’t impact the law’s functioning. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1840 "2014-03-31T20:28:58Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > You mean like this? > > [http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/31/National-Politics/Polling/question\_13876.xml?uuid=rPbg\_rkGEeOA3i\_4gB8nrw#](http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/31/National-Politics/Polling/question_13876.xml?uuid=rPbg_rkGEeOA3i_4gB8nrw#) > > All Adults: 49% support, 48% oppose > > More Americans support than oppose the law now according to this poll. I’d call that movement of the needle, wouldn’t you? Oh wow, one poll vs. all the others that show the opposite. Unless something changed in just a day or two, it’s an outlier. But hey, if I’m wrong, Democrats will be very happy soon, and boasting about the law in their campaigns. You’ll notice I didn’t bother to highlight the recent poll showing only 26% approval. When you’re confident of your position, you don’t need to jump on outlier polls for signs of hope. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2014, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561/1841 "2014-03-31T20:30:17Z")
Damn, you \*really \*can’t see any difference between “improve it” and “dump it”. Really! This isn’t just a silly word game, is it? Wow. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=91) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-is-your-ongoing-opinion-of-the-affordable-care-act-title-edited/647561.md?page=93)