It seems to be the consensus that God should be known to exist by some manner.
What manner should this be?
Scientific evidence. Consistancy. Agreed upon traits. All the things that no god so far even comes close to fulfilling.
Again I inquire: Are you asking two different questions in the OP?
Yeah, that about sums it up.
Does it matter? You’re pretty much assuming that it’s already happened.
Amen. In that case, it would be like believing in a table. Why do I need to believe in a table? It’s right there. I can tap it. I can touch it. I can sit on it.
I don’t actually comprehend the need to believe in some higher being. We’re all we’ve got, and I’m ok with that.
It would have to have some measurable effect on the universe to be detectable, yes; but that’s not the sort of interference I meant, this is.
The same manner in which anything is known to exist: some combination of measurement, repeatable experiments, and empirical observation.
I don’t think so, I am asking what manner should God let you know He is God. If He exists or not.
I don’t except that as God either. Would you like Him to be kind.
You give us the traits of this god, and we’ll tell you what would be good evidence, o.k.?
Are you saying He should be seen on a throne in a city where you can measure and observe Him without Him interfering with you. If not then what?
I am asking you to tell the traits of a God you would believe in.
I think a god would have to interact with at least some other things in order to determine it is a god.
Now this is interesting. What you’re saying here is that god would have to be proven to exist to the entire world before you could believe it. Does this mean that if only you could witness this godlike behaviors, you would believe yourself delusional rather than believe in a god?
FYI, I’m pretty much in that camp myself, except that if my witnessing this godlike behavior was delusional, it is quite probable that I would form an equally delusion belief in the god.
Getting back to the OP that you wrote, are you of the mind that if we imagine a perfect god or goddess it would somehow be acceptable for people to believe that it exists? Do you understand that atheists don’t believe in gods because there is no evidence for their existence, not because they don’t like them?
I would certainly need something better than a bad dream and voices in my head.
What exactly do you mean by “believe in”? Dou you mean “believe that it exists”, or do you mean “become a follower of”?
As much as a ‘rock’ or ‘table’ would - but not in the sense of “I’ll talk to and/or reward/punish only those that ‘believe’ a certain way”
Everything Lekatt (and since the dawn of man) have done is proscribe to ‘their god’ the ideas they want that god to have - its not that “we were made in HIS image” - its that HE was made in the image we want - we want to beat the neighboring tribe? then GOD must not only like war, but he must be on our side as well, etc.
So - as others have already said - to first ‘believe’ in a GOD - there must be some tangible/objective evidence that such being physically existed -
Interaction with said being could be on a simple 'yup, there it is ’ scale -
But its ‘existence’ does not require “interference” - ‘God’ doing things to individuals or stuff to ‘prove’ its a GOD - or “Interaction” - “Hey, i’m GOD” with humans.
Now, one has to decide what makes a ‘GOD’ - and to date, its always been as a way to explain things that were not (yet) explainable - “oh, we don’t know why the sun rises, must be apollo making his rounds”.
ETA - on the “Follow” aspect - it is only humans that assume a ‘God’ would want to be followed - and they usually do it in the sense of "I asked OG to help SMASH, we prevailed, Praise OG - we shall follow him’ sense - there is nothing outside of what we 'think a GOD would want, because, I know I want it ’ to suggest a GOD would require ‘Followers’.
I don’t belie that God exists. Besides, He was a real jerk to me yesterday.
I’d follow a sexy god. I’d go to church and sing songs and especially enjoy the images of my god. I would love to discuss the many facets of god with my fellow man and read inspirational tracts together. My wife would ever allow me to worship that kind of god though. Its the old man with a beard and his shirtless son with the Fabio hair or nothing.
Although I still doubt if there is a God, I’m sure that there is no God that makes us believe. It’s you who makes yourself believe. In evidence, for instance.