# What lies has Hillary been caught in? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 3, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558 "2016-11-03T21:13:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/21 "2016-11-04T00:54:21Z")
Choice is exactly that. That the choice is left up to the woman. You can’t be denied abortion and you can’t be forced to have one. The position is that the choice lies with the woman and her doctor. No one else. ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/22 "2016-11-04T01:08:29Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The thing is, Trump is an honest liar: he knows he’s lying, you know he’s lying, and he knows you know he’s lying (and you know he knows etc :)). Clinton OTOH is deceptive, with weasel words and reframing things, like talking about ‘gun safety’ when she means ‘gun control’. This is EXACTLY how Trump supporters rationalize their support for, easily, the most detestable person to hold a nomination since Goldwater, at least. The “aw, shucks, he ain’t that bad it’s all for show he don’t really mean it that way you’re just twisting his words he’s being sarcastic, blah, blah” is a bullshit argument for hypocrites trying to defend the indefensible. Virtually everyone on this thread could come up with 50 examples off the top of their head of things Trump has said or done that, if said or done by a Democrat, would disqualify him in the mind of a Trump supporter. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/23 "2016-11-04T01:50:38Z")
> [@Victor\_Charlie](#): > > This is EXACTLY how Trump supporters rationalize their support for, easily, the most detestable person to hold a nomination since Goldwater, at least. The “aw, shucks, he ain’t that bad it’s all for show he don’t really mean it that way you’re just twisting his words he’s being sarcastic, blah, blah” is a bullshit argument for hypocrites trying to defend the indefensible. Virtually everyone on this thread could come up with 50 examples off the top of their head of things Trump has said or done that, if said or done by a Democrat, would disqualify him in the mind of a Trump supporter. And if Trump had mishandled classified information there would be Dems screaming about how that should be disqualifying and he should be in jail. There’s hypocrisy on both sides. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/24 "2016-11-04T01:58:42Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s hardly arrogant to think that many of Trump’s supporters aren’t smart. He’s a fucking fruitloop. His actual policies are nonsense. > > No, like \*life \*for _fuck your right to control your body_. Try taking some cocaine in front of the police to see how much real control you have over “your” body. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/25 "2016-11-04T02:02:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And if Trump had mishandled classified information there would be Dems screaming about how that should be disqualifying and he should be in jail. There’s hypocrisy on both sides. Depends of if he’s careless, blurts out classified information at a rally or sells it to Putin. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/26 "2016-11-04T02:15:55Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Try taking some cocaine in front of the police to see how much real control you have over “your” body. It’s a little embarrassing, seeing an analogy fail so utterly. My condolences. ---
**Author:** ![Corry\_El](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecae2f/32.png) [@Corry\_El](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Corry_El)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/27 "2016-11-04T02:55:35Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > That are getting Trump and his followers in such a tizzy. She’s hovering in the low 30’s% in ‘honest and trustworthy’. The rest must include a fair chunk of people who are going to vote for her (as less bad than Trump overall) besides a lot of people who are going to vote for Trump just as less bad than she is: it’s very far beyond ‘his followers’, unless you’re just speaking of aspects in which his followers think she’s more dishonest than the rest of the ~70% thinks. One explanation is mass psychosis. Another is ‘Faux News’… except a tiny proportion of voters watch Fox and even talk radio’s audience is nothing like 2/3’s of the electorate. An alternate explanation is that it’s just being kind of cute to ask why most people think Hillary Clinton is not very honest. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Victor\_Charlie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/7ea924/32.png) [@Victor\_Charlie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Victor_Charlie)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/28 "2016-11-04T03:43:39Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And if Trump had mishandled classified information there would be Dems screaming about how that should be disqualifying and he should be in jail. There’s hypocrisy on both sides. I don’t recall too many demands for the jailing of Bush or his cronies when 22 million emails “disappeared” from private RNC servers during the investigation of his Justice Department. Not too many demands for his head when he overlooked a dozen opportunities to prevent 9/11 even though that was just a bit more serious than Benghazi. Every politician has issues his/her opponents can point to as disqualifying. And every politician’s supporters have to overlook flaws they might not in an opposing candidate. But Trump is on a different plane of existence in this regard, as are his supporters. Suggesting there’s equal hypocrisy on both sides is another false equivalency that’s allowed this fraud to get this far. And those 50 examples I could cite about Trump would also keep me from voting for Hillary, or anyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/29 "2016-11-04T06:10:37Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And if Trump had mishandled classified information there would be Dems screaming about how that should be disqualifying and he should be in jail. There’s hypocrisy on both sides. What an amusing counterfactual. Get back to me when it has any basis in _reality_. > **[Officials Scrutinized Over Classified Information, But Rarely Found Criminal](https://www.npr.org/2016/04/07/472991438/officials-scrutinized-over-classified-information-but-rarely-found-criminal)** > > There's a long history of government officials getting FBI scrutiny for mishandling classified information. But prosecutors usually require bad intent or ulterior motives to bring a criminal case. Remember when the democrats got really really pissed about Alberto Gonzales doing, well, exactly this? No? Me neither. You can pretend that, were the sides reversed, the results would be exactly mirrored. But that concept is missing one key fact: the democratic party hasn’t collectively gone completely off the fucking deep end. The republican party has, and if you can’t see that, maybe I should introduce you to Donald Trump, your current nominee. :mad: You might as well claim that were Trump the democratic nominee, we would be ignoring all the things we pillory him for. That just ain’t so. You know how I know? Because democrats and liberals go after Clinton for the same shit on a far lesser scale as well. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/30 "2016-11-04T06:22:07Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > The dodging sniper fire was a big, fat lie. Her saying she wasn’t carpetbagging NY in her run for Senate (told to me, personally via e-mail. Sure it was boilerplate election bullshit but I sent her an e-mail with my concern over this and received one back assuring me that Clinton was in it for New York all the way. And then as soon as the Presidential election rolled around-- bye NY, you were very useful! Which is why I voted Bernie in the primary. > > Besides those two, not seeing anything more than shit throwing. She was first elected to the Senate in 2000. And didn’t run for president until 2008. So she was elected to the seat twice, with an even bigger margin the second time, both time with lots of support from upstate New York, only leaving to become Secretary of State for Obama. And she still lives in the state. Doesn’t really seem like that bad a job of being a resident of the state. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/31 "2016-11-04T12:58:46Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > And if Trump had mishandled classified information there would be Dems screaming about how that should be disqualifying and he should be in jail. There’s hypocrisy on both sides. Persons on this board who have actual experience with protocols for classified information have repeatedly stated that this sort of thing is almost never prosecuted, so your speculation remains just that: pure speculation. But as we know, Mr. Trump has not really ever had the chance to mishandle classified information, so who can say what might happen? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/32 "2016-11-04T13:19:26Z")
> [@](#): > > What lies has Hillary been caught in? This election is like a football game … with two goal post. One goal post is November 8th, 2016 … the other goal post is January 20th, 2017 in the middle is a playing field of huge proportions with the two well known players of Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump along with lesser known players, but the most important players are the field judges and the head referee and the lines men that move the chains. The Supreme Court and the US Congress will decide the winner, but not unitll the fat lady sings with her excuses of this all being one big mistake. I left out the coach for each team, but you know who they are by now, right? The play by play people are CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS and NBC … Whatever is going to happen has never happened before … you will be shocked, because it is a battle for what we think. It always has been a battle, but it is usually only in hindsight that we can see it. May the best person win … notice I said the best person and I do not think it is in the best interest of this country for it to be Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/33 "2016-11-04T13:59:34Z")
Does anyone ELSE want to announce their candidacy for the next Official Chicken Little? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Quatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/bc8723/32.png) [@Mr\_Quatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Quatro)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/34 "2016-11-04T14:07:43Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > Does anyone ELSE want to announce their candidacy for the next Official Chicken Little? I didn’t say the sky is falling yet … did I? Just planting a seed thought that is all … If nothing happens I will slink back into the cave I came from 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LonghornDave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@LonghornDave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonghornDave)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/35 "2016-11-04T17:25:52Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > Nah. Trump isn’t a liar at all–his version of truth is just whatever happens to be coming out of his mouth at any given moment. At no point do facts or past statements come into the picture. For Trump to knowingly lie would require him to have some true thing at hand, and then say the opposite. Trump’s brain, however, does not contain any true things. > > Trump could not know if his supporters know he’s lying, and would not care even if he did; he only knows whether they continue to support him. This is kind of where I am. Trump isn’t really lying. He’s just wrong on all the facts. A lot of the times he is wrong because he massively exaggerates something, so in fact what he says may contain a kernel of truth. Other times he distorts the truth in a ridiculous way. He’s kind of like a regular person in that he is incredibly biased and he only listens to things that support his preconceived notions, and on top of that forgets most of the details. Add in his other attributes and that makes him a very dangerous person. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/36 "2016-11-04T19:13:12Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Here is [another list](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/pants-fire/) > > and [another one](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/false/) > > and maybe [this one too](http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/statements/byruling/barely-true/) Without condoning prevarication, can’t we agree that statements like “I was the only candidate to promise no tax increase on the middle-class”, even if false, seem more like campaign bluster than offensive lies? Yet this claim appears multiple times in those lists. If such routine campaign bluster counts as a “lie,” I think almost every single statement Trump utters would count as a lie. ---
**Author:** ![OffByOne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/45deac/32.png) [@OffByOne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OffByOne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/37 "2016-11-06T19:43:06Z")
Here’s all you need to know about what lies Hillary has been caught in: “Hillary lied about … You know, she’s such a liar! She lies all the time. Everybody knows that!” Or, at least, that’s what it looks like, judging from my Facebook feed. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/38 "2016-11-06T21:12:51Z")
She’s the[second-most honest pol](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/8/1/1555457/-Fact-Hillary-Clinton-Is-One-of-America-s-Most-Honest-Politicians-Trump-is-one-of-the-biggest-liars) on the national stage, only barely beaten out by Obama. “Facts are the enemy of truth!” - Don Quixote ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/39 "2016-11-06T23:06:13Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > She did lie on both counts. She did not lie about Benghazi: > **[The Benghazi Timeline, Clinton Edition - FactCheck.org](https://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/the-benghazi-timeline-clinton-edition/)** > > Now that the last of the Benghazi reports have been issued, we look at some key public and private statements made by Hillary Clinton and others in the State Department following the 2012 attacks, which resulted in the loss of four Americans. \*\*She never said it was in response to the video. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2016, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558/40 "2016-11-06T23:08:31Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Her saying she wasn’t carpetbagging NY in her run for Senate (told to me, personally via e-mail. Sure it was boilerplate election bullshit but I sent her an e-mail with my concern over this and received one back assuring me that Clinton was in it for New York all the way. And then as soon as the Presidential election rolled around-- bye NY, you were very useful! Which is why I voted Bernie in the primary. > > . again, no: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/keyraces2000/stories/hillary070899.htm](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/keyraces2000/stories/hillary070899.htm) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-lies-has-hillary-been-caught-in/770558.md?page=3)