# What long-past Wars/Battles are people still pissed off about today? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 23, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685 "2009-06-23T04:30:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/41 "2009-06-24T05:42:11Z")
Remember the Alamo! ---
**Author:** ![Latro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a87d85/32.png) [@Latro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Latro)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/42 "2009-06-24T07:19:11Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > From Roman History, I’d say the battle of Allia and the later battle of Alesia still have some resonance, especially in France (I remember seeing a huge statue of Vercingetorix on one of my trips). Also, the battle of the Teuteberg Forrest I think still has some resonance today…but certainly, like Allia, it resonated with Roman citizens for hundreds of years after it was fought. > > -XT I was at the celebrations for the 2000th anniversary of the ‘Varus battle’ in the Teutoburg forest. Funny how, for a long time, it was seen as a glorious victory of free germans over an oppressive Roman regime while nowadays Germans seem a bit sad that the Roman Empire wasn’t extended to the river Elbe. All of the public favored the Romans in the re-enactment battles.. ---
**Author:** ![FrWindyShephardHenderson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9a28c/32.png) [@FrWindyShephardHenderson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FrWindyShephardHenderson)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/43 "2009-06-24T08:43:36Z")
> [@astorian](#): > > One way or the other, the Irish were going to be ruled over by an oppressive foreigner. The only question was, would it be they be under the thumb of a Scottish oppressor or a Dutch oppressor. Thats true. But the penal laws which were introduced during the Jacobite wars did reduce the Catholic Irish to practically slaves in their own country. Without those laws you wonder if Irish nationalism would have taken such a deep root. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/44 "2009-06-24T14:54:13Z")
Wouldn’t be surprised if some French are still pissed over the [Battle of Alesia.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alesia) ---
**Author:** ![chowder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/977dab/32.png) [@chowder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chowder)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/45 "2009-06-24T15:07:57Z")
> [@Jettboy](#): > > I’ve gotta’ chime on on the American Civil War also. With the amount of simmering resentment and fierce nationalism/regionalism still in evidence, a stranger to the southern US would imagine that the war was fought just last year. Heh, when I was in Alabama some years ago friends of mine reckoned the South was just waiting on supplies ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/46 "2009-06-24T15:11:36Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > I don’t get why Muslims would be so upset over the Crusades. They won, didn’t they? And couldn’t it be argued that the Crusades only represented a counterattack amid a far more aggressive, long-lasting and partially successful incursion by Muslim armies into Europe? > > So what’s all the hubbub, Bub? > > And to the OP: I hear tell that Oliver Cromwell still has something of a bad rep in some quarters. The Crusades never ended as far as the Muslims are concerned. The British Empire and the French in Algeria are just battles in the Crusades to them. I’d say the American Civil War in the South. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/47 "2009-06-24T15:15:00Z")
People of Celtic descent are still upset about Caesar’s conquest of Gaul. ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/48 "2009-06-24T16:52:52Z")
The wars of the Roses is still a matter of some note between Lancastrians and Yorkists. > **[Wars of the Roses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wars_of_the_Roses)** > > Supported by: > Supported by: > The Wars of the Roses (1455–1487), known at the time and for more than a century after as the Civil Wars, were a series of civil wars fought over control of the English throne in the mid- to late fifteenth century. These wars were fought between supporters of two rival cadet branches of the royal House of Plantagenet: Lancaster and York. The wars extinguished the last male line of the house of Lancaster in 1471, leading to the Tudor family inheriting the Lancastri... I still blame Edward III, for the way he brought up his children, for all 4 of the males to turn out to be murderous power hungry gits surely means he did something wrong on his practical parenting sessions. The fallout of the Norman invasion led to land disputes and wars across almost a thousand years between England and France, and ultimately led to two world wars - nope, not the two you are thinking of, think of Marlbrough and the wars of Spanish succession, think also of the Napoleonic wars. In turn, these wars dragged in Scotland, and Ireland, and many wars in various colonies. ---
**Author:** ![Lantern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/d26b3c/32.png) [@Lantern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lantern)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/49 "2009-06-24T17:05:06Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Wouldn’t be surprised if some French are still pissed over the [Battle of Alesia.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alesia) I have wondered about this. Does it make sense for the French to identify with the Gallic tribes of that period when their culture and language owes far more to Roman civilization? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/50 "2009-06-24T17:21:57Z")
Still some tension between Thais and Burmese for any of a plethora of long-ago wars. The Thais are still particularly miffed about the Burmese sackings of the Ayutthaya kingdom in 1569 and 1767. The Cambodians hate the Thais for all of the military incursions onto their territory over the centuries, if not millennia. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/51 "2009-06-24T17:51:46Z")
I wonder if we can stir up shit between the Christians and the Vegans over the whole Cain and Abel thing. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/52 "2009-06-24T18:07:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > I wonder if we can stir up shit between the Christians and the Vegans over the whole Cain and Abel thing. Well we’re all descended from the Vegan murderer Cain, so there isn’t much to talk about. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/53 "2009-06-24T18:10:29Z")
We’re still seeing repercussions from the Roman conquest of Judea and Samaria. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/54 "2009-06-24T18:39:12Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Well we’re all descended from the Vegan murderer Cain, so there isn’t much to talk about. 😉 Not so much. We’re the descendants of Seth, not Cain. But since I’ve personally seen teenage girls who are recent converts to Wicca going all apeshit about 'the burning times". I just figured it’d be wonderfully humorous to convince the same idiots to attack Christianity over the murder of Abel, the Original Vegan. ---
**Author:** ![Apollyon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/apollyon/32/4238_2.png) [@Apollyon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Apollyon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/55 "2009-06-25T00:45:18Z")
> [@FrWindyShephardHenderson](#): > > The massacres at several towns along with the treatment of the Irish after the war, “To Hell or to Connaught”, still are used by a fairly small number of people as a stick to beat the English with. Cromwell is still quite a hated figure in Ireland. Yep, that was the first one to spring to my mind… “A curse upon you Oliver Cromwell You who raped our Motherland I hope you’re rotting down in hell For the horrors that you sent To our misfortunate forefathers Whom you robbed of their birthright To hell or Connaught may you burn in hell tonight…” (excerpted from _Young Ned Of The Hill_ by **The Pogues** ) My second thought was Culloden and the “Forty-Five”. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/56 "2009-06-25T02:24:02Z")
I’m going to move this debate-free poll, (or invitation to provide a squib of a PSA or whatever), over to IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/57 "2009-06-25T07:49:23Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Not so much. We’re the descendants of Seth, not Cain. > > But since I’ve personally seen teenage girls who are recent converts to Wicca going all apeshit about 'the burning times". I just figured it’d be wonderfully humorous to convince the same idiots to attack Christianity over the murder of Abel, the Original Vegan. Except Cain was the Vegan and the murderer. You really haven’t thought this one through, have you? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/58 "2009-06-25T08:01:40Z")
[QUOTE=Stephen King] “Let me tell you something,” Garrish told Bogie. “God got mad at Cain because Cain had an idea God was a vegetarian. His brother knew better. God made the world in His image, and if you don’t eat the world, the world eats you. So Cain says to his brother, ‘Why didn’t you tell me?’ And his brother says, ‘Why didn’t you listen?’ And Cain says, ‘Okay, I’m listening now.’ So he waxes his brother and says, ‘Hey God! You want meat? Here it is! You want roast or ribs or Abelburgers or what?’ And God told him to put on his boogie shoes. So … what do you think?” [/QUOTE] .. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/59 "2009-06-25T15:50:11Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > Except Cain was the Vegan and the murderer. :smack: Like I remember all the details of a religion I no longer follow. Ok, so SLANDER of Cain, the Original Vegan. Poor defenseless guy, being bad mouthed by those sheep murderers… ---
**Author:** ![Celyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9dc877/32.png) [@Celyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Celyn)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685/60 "2009-06-25T18:46:37Z")
Oh, now, I really do just \*have \*to say “meh”. It is your own fault, you know, if you \*will \*bring sheep into it. 😃 Oh, and of course I do harbour a great feeling for the battle of Mons Graupius\* and that was very recent, being only in C.E 84 or so. 🙂 You know, because poor old Tacitus and Calgacus always come into it when we ever hear of some one getting annoyed by others doing things like putting pineapple on pizza. That way, you see, all can say “oh, but they have made a dessert and they name it pizza”. Thank you, I will get my coat. 🙂 - and Culloden. And Bannockburn. And Flodden, since you ask. Oh well, so many wars and battles in history, blood and death and bad stuff, but I suppose occasionally they made good songs. How very sad or good. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-long-past-wars-battles-are-people-still-pissed-off-about-today/500685.md?page=4)