# What more is the Special Counsel looking for? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 14, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847 "2018-02-14T23:10:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/21 "2018-02-15T20:41:29Z")
Oh, he certainly knows what he’s doing, as a lawyer and an investigator and a prosecutor. I’m a little less convinced, due to less information, about him as a citizen and statesman and historian. Does he have a good enough idea of the importance of what he does to the nation and the Constitution and to history, or is he perhaps too focused on getting all the ducks lined up before he shoots, as he would have done in his previous roles? He may be fine that way, but I’d like to be more confident. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/22 "2018-02-15T21:07:34Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Does he have a good enough idea of the importance of what he does to the nation and the Constitution and to history, or is he perhaps too focused on getting all the ducks lined up before he shoots, as he would have done in his previous roles? Getting all his ducks lined up before he shoots is even more important in this role than in any of his previous roles. This is no time for cutting corners or showing your hand ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![Clu-Me-In](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/dfb087/32.png) [@Clu-Me-In](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clu-Me-In)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/23 "2018-02-15T21:56:19Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I’m concerned that if this wretched lot keeps committing crimes faster than Mueller can investigate them, then Mueller will never catch up to the point where he can issue indictments. I think if there’s enough there now to charge everybody, he should do it now before they really fuck things up. Now I feel like it’s like investigating a serial killer and looking for his possible drug connections instead of locking him up and making the rest of us safe. Impeach. Convict. Resist. That there is exactly why I asked the question cos I think this is the tactic Trump is using too. If one returns to what he did to the Banks during his Casino financing Escapade, he essentially borrowed so much and continued to borrow to the point where the Banks could not afford to flatten him without going down with him. He may be piling up so much illegal stuff that by the time Mueller sorts through all of them, he’s completed his 4 years and done him overhauling the justice system to oversee him. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/24 "2018-02-15T22:29:02Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Getting all his ducks lined up before he shoots is even more important in this role than in any of his previous roles. This is no time for cutting corners or showing your hand ahead of time. Boy howdy, QFT. I’ll go out on a limb and say I still believe we’ll start to see some action around the end of March/first part of April. And I’ve read/heard from a variety of sources that Mueller loves the element of surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/25 "2018-02-15T22:31:10Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > He may be piling up so much illegal stuff that by the time Mueller sorts through all of them, he’s completed his 4 years and done him overhauling the justice system to oversee him. No. Things can proceed along simultaneous tracks, as is demonstrated by the Manafort/Gates/Papadopoulos prosecutions/plea arrangements. You’ll see some prosecutions happening as others continue to be investigated. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/26 "2018-02-16T02:41:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > It took Starr 7 years to find a blowjob, for comparison. To be fair it hadn’t actually happened yet when he started looking. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/27 "2018-02-16T02:43:48Z")
Collusion in this case _would_ be a crime as it would be tantamount to accepting a campaign contribution from a foreign government. That violates campaign finance laws. The contribution does not have to be monetary as long as it is something of value and “dirt” on your opponent would certainly qualify. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/28 "2018-02-16T06:10:10Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Getting all his ducks lined up before he shoots is even more important in this role than in any of his previous roles. This is no time for cutting corners or showing your hand ahead of time. You come at the king, you best not miss. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/29 "2018-02-16T13:33:13Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > …They may even get around to investigating Hillary’s ties to the Russians. (post shortened) Hahahaha! Back to the OP, criminal investigations take time and, as **ETF** says, he’d better not miss. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/30 "2018-02-16T15:43:55Z")
That’s right, but Mueller still doesn’t need to line up \*all \*the ducks first, just enough of the biggest ones. Every extra day he takes is another day we have a (possible) traitorous crook in charge of the government. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/31 "2018-02-16T16:27:40Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > That’s right, but Mueller still doesn’t need to line up \*all \*the ducks first, just enough of the biggest ones. Every extra day he takes is another day we have a (possible) traitorous crook in charge of the government. Nope, strongly disagree. He needs to line up all the ducks, make whatever case he is proposing rock solid and undeniable. You don’t leave loose ends to unravel the case when it’s something this important. Every day he takes is worth it for the long term resolution of the case and avoiding a Constitutional crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/32 "2018-02-16T17:12:07Z")
> [@Clu-Me-In](#): > > How much longer and what more do you think the Special Counsel is looking to put together before going public with a charge? He’s a Republican, they walk in lockstep. He’s the perfect “Bad Cop” to do this investigation because nobody can say the Republicans are turning a blind eye to President Trump’s skullduggery, or the Democratic Party’s witch hunts. He can be all, “tut-tut!” and “Hmmm, VERY interesting.” and “Oh, this is an absolute hotbed of incrimination!” and so forth. He can pull violently at threads as they come up, meander down rabbit holes, and burn the occasional extra character in a show of Doing Something. Meanwhile, the actual Thing is never done. He’s a balm for the Democrats who can’t get their shit together enough to compete with the Republicans, and he poses no real threat to the Republican Party. Perfect master of ceremonies for this (sur)reality show. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/33 "2018-02-16T17:32:28Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > He’s a Republican, they walk in lockstep. He’s the perfect “Bad Cop” to do this investigation because nobody can say the Republicans are turning a blind eye to President Trump’s skullduggery, or the Democratic Party’s witch hunts. He can be all, “tut-tut!” and “Hmmm, VERY interesting.” and “Oh, this is an absolute hotbed of incrimination!” and so forth. He can pull violently at threads as they come up, meander down rabbit holes, and burn the occasional extra character in a show of Doing Something. I doubt Mueller would have left his lucrative private practice to make his relative chump change government salary back just so he could preside over a run-out-the-clock whitewash for a president he doesn’t know or care about. If Comey had been what you describe, he would have happily taken whatever loyalty oath Trump required, as most Republicans seem to have each morning before they defend the indefensible for the glory of the Party. Mueller seems to be in the same vein. That Mueller was asked by Obama to serve an extra two years past the statutory 10 year term as FBI director would indicate that he isn’t the typical partisan hack that so many Congressional Republicans have shown themselves to be. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/34 "2018-02-16T18:58:06Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > He’s a Republican, they walk in lockstep. He’s the perfect “Bad Cop” to do this investigation because nobody can say the Republicans are turning a blind eye to President Trump’s skullduggery, or the Democratic Party’s witch hunts. He can be all, “tut-tut!” and “Hmmm, VERY interesting.” and “Oh, this is an absolute hotbed of incrimination!” and so forth. He can pull violently at threads as they come up, meander down rabbit holes, and burn the occasional extra character in a show of Doing Something. Meanwhile, the actual Thing is never done. He’s a balm for the Democrats who can’t get their shit together enough to compete with the Republicans, and he poses no real threat to the Republican Party. Perfect master of ceremonies for this (sur)reality show. You have terrible timing. [Internet Research Agency Indictment](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4380494-Internet-Research-Agency-Indictment.html#document/p4/a3) (Thanks to **N9IWP** for providing the link so I didn’t have to hunt for it.) ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/35 "2018-02-16T19:20:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > You have terrible timing. Extras for the fire. Little fish. “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.” President Trump remains the unsullied lamb who benefitted, through no fault of his own. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/36 "2018-02-16T20:08:01Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Extras for the fire. Little fish. “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.” President Trump remains the unsullied lamb who benefitted, through no fault of his own. Uh huh. And you, of course, have evidence for your conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/37 "2018-02-16T20:27:16Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > Uh huh. And you, of course, have evidence for your conspiracy theory. Of course not! If I had _evidence_ it’d hardly be a conspiracy theory now would it? 😃 I’m not willing to endorse my point in my weekly underground newsletter–it’s born more of cynicism than belief anyway. But it’s another Thing Mueller’s uncovered that places blame for wrongdoing someplace other than the person who benefitted the most from it. It’s another rabbit hole with some more signs of action, that comes no closer to answering the question that matters: Was Donald Trump involved in Russia’s efforts to skew election data in Mr. Trump’s favor? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/38 "2018-02-16T20:29:50Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Extras for the fire. Little fish. “There is no allegation in this indictment that any American had any knowledge.” President Trump remains the unsullied lamb who benefitted, through no fault of his own. No allegation in **this** indictment. This won’t be the last indictment. Your unsullied lamb won’t remain unsullied long if it turns out that he tried to obstruct this investigation in any shape or form. Obstruction is still a crime even if you’re innocent of the crime being alleged. Don’t put it past our stable genius to obstruct an investigation of crimes that he doesn’t think actually happened. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/39 "2018-02-16T21:22:35Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Witch hunts take time. Witches can be surprisingly good at hiding, and it takes time to manufacture evidence in a convincing way. Not to fool the liberals who are still butthurt that their messiah queen Hillary lost, of course. Obama’s Deep State operatives and their puppet Mueller are busy colluding with Russians and George Soros and Black Lives Matter to try to stop Trump from making America great again, because they know they need millions of illegal alien voters to elect Democrats and want transsexual perverts to use kids’ bathrooms. > > I’m surprised you don’t know this; it’s been all over Facebook for months. I shamelessly stole this for use elsewhere. Please forgive. ---
**Author:** ![drad\_dog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@drad\_dog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drad_dog)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2018, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847/40 "2018-02-16T21:55:03Z")
> [@B-Rad](#): > > Of course not! If I had _evidence_ it’d hardly be a conspiracy theory now would it? 😃 I’m not willing to endorse my point in my weekly underground newsletter–it’s born more of cynicism than belief anyway. But it’s another Thing Mueller’s uncovered that places blame for wrongdoing someplace other than the person who benefitted the most from it. It’s another rabbit hole with some more signs of action, that comes no closer to answering the question that matters: Was Donald Trump involved in Russia’s efforts to skew election data in Mr. Trump’s favor? You are approaching full black knight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-more-is-the-special-counsel-looking-for/808847.md?page=3)