So homosexuals can procreate with same-sex partners? I don’t think it’s hard to understand that the special relationship between man and woman is the natural order that gave us all life and to give it some exalted status is not unreasonable.
No, but I do think it should be much more difficult.
You make a very good point. It is unfortunate that civil unions are not recognized in all states.
false.
No, that is a normal relationship.
No, society has always held the ability to hold prejudice and codify that which is normal. Without such codification, anything could be defined as marriage.
How is it made unexalted by allowing homosexuals to partake of the institution?
You’ll let the elderly get married. Or a woman with a hysterectomy. Or a man who has through accident lost his testicles. But not homosexuals. That would be gross. That would be a turd floating in your swimming pool.
Explain to me again, why in the country club we call marriage you aren’t allowing homosexuals to join? They want membership, why do you say no?
Really? In the US, prior to Loving v. Virginia, marriage was defined (outside of a few exceptions) as possibly consisting of interracial marriages between European-descended and African-descended people?
Ah, I see the problem. You’re profoundly ignorant. I tell you what, read up on the history of marriage and race in America and get back to us, kay?
Not in the 1950s it wasn’t. That’s when bigoted people ran the show. Like the bigoted people who deny SS couples the right to marry now.
Ah the slippery slope argument. I can see you have no rational arguments and must devolve into handwaving and childishness. Ooga booga, indeed.
Come back and bring an argument that doesn’t involve a man marrying a wheel barrow. 
Garbage. They are exactly the same. Two people want to marry, and bigots want to stop them out of bigotry. That is what this entire dispute is really about, and nothing more.
Garbage again. People who cannot have children can and do get married. Married people can and do have themselves sterilized. And same sex couples can adopt, become pregnant and father children. And those who oppose SSM do their best to eliminate THOSE “stable family units”. This has nothing to do with any concern for children.
As far as I am concerned, there is one, and only one reason people oppose SSM. Bigotry. I simply don’t believe people who claim other motives.
What kind of response are you looking for here? If you can’t be civil then we’re done.
Read what I said and stop trying to use out-of-date laws to make your point.
You cannot make the case that homosexuality is normal. It is not. Humans are a heterosexual species.
Don’t be silly; it’s a natural human variation. It’s just as “normal” as having blue eyes - something else only a minority of people are born with. Not that there’s any good reason we should care if it’s “normal” or not.
You’re equating a normal human trait to one involving abnormal behavior.
this.
It is perfectly normal for a percentage of the population just as other variables are.
Quoth Der Trihs:
I don’t think that this is quite correct, in that I don’t think that bigotry is one and only one reason. One person might oppose same-sex marriage because he believes that God has set down a law against it, and he doesn’t want to go against what God says, while another might oppose it because he doesn’t believe that homosexuality genuinely exists, and thinks that gays who try to marry are just deluding themselves, while yet another might just think that homosexual sex is gross and not give it any further thought. All three are bigoted, and yet they have three completely different reasons for their bigotry.
Being homosexual is just as normal as having blue eyes, so yes I equate them.
Are you going to argue that left handed people shouldn’t be allowed marriage too?
One might just as well say that he’s equating the normal human trait of homosexuality with one involving abnormal pigmentation. Homosexuality is not a behavior: A gay person can abstain from sex or have sex with a person of the opposite gender, and a straight person can have sex with someone of the same gender, without changing the fact that those people are gay and straight respectively.
One thing. Does it matter if your priest tells you to hate blacks or your father does? Both are ways to learn bigotry. Who cares if it’s the result of religious indoctrination or an angry father at the dinner table? The end result is exactly the same.
why yes, we can easily see that anyone willing and able to procreate automatically become superior human beings by virtue of this special ability and the act of parenthood itself.
No friend, the physical ability and act does not merit any exalted status and humans have demonstrated that over and over. It is the quality of love and committment that exists within the heart that exalts us. SS couples have this ability in equal measure to straights. Homosexuals can be excellent parents or bad parents the same as straights. The technicality of how they arrive at parenthood is secondary. Do hetero couples who cannot have children deserve to be denied a marriage license? Is their marriage less than sanctified or exhalted because of the inability to bear children? If they adopt or choose some other path to have a child is their love and parenthood in question.
These type of arguments have no solid foundation whatever yet they keep being repeated as if they do.
No. This is not about two people marrying. It is about two people of the same sex marrying. As I’ve stated straights and gays have the same rights. But, the state does also limit opposite sex marriage. Polygamy is not allowed. Brother and sister cannot marry. Parent and child cannot marry. Are these people being discriminated against?
Re-read post #188
The problem is that
If marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman is every bit as discriminatory as
if marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman of the same race when the majority decides to limit the rights of the minority by setting the definition.
Parents and children and brothers and sisters are separate issues. Stay on topic.
What we are talking about is an of age couple not being able to marry because of bigotry. SS couples do not have the sames rights as an opposite sex couple. Because a heterosexual can marry someone they’re sexually attracted to. A homosexual cannot.
I’m surprised that you aren’t able to understand that. Read it a couple more times, maybe it will sink in.