# What movie do you actively loath? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 8, 2000, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131 "2000-10-08T06:49:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@matt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/matt)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/161 "2000-10-23T09:36:37Z")
**Speed 2** - like having someone jabbing their finger into your eye for ninety minutes. **Jaws 4** - when a psychic shark is persecuting your family try **not going into the sea**. It’ll find you if you just move to Hawaii. Hell, it’ll even beat the jet there. Jaws 3 was probably as bad, but I didn’t see that one. **Dumb and Dumber** - Utterly puerile, stupid, childish idiotic crap. What kind of LOWBROW MORON would find this funny? Oh yeah, me. Twice. I’m trying to hate it though, really I am! **Meet Joe Black** - estimated running time 8 years **Eyes Wide Shut** - the trailer hooked me and reeled me in. What a sucker. **The Secret of Nimh** A damned fine kids’ book with an intelligent story which the animated movie didn’t even TRY to keep to. I haven’t been so dissapointed since my cotton candy blew away at the fair. **Stargate** Can’t really say why I hated this, because I fell asleep in the cinema. Tried to watch it again on video, but fell asleep again. No explanation. **Assasin** - a whole film remade, slightly less well, to save lazy English-speakers from having to read subtitles? Nikita blew this away. Each and every **Superman** movie **Grease** , for its heartwarming message that to be a really cool rebel, mindless conformity to the standards of your peers is the way to go. Plus it’s a musical. **Frankie and Johnny** the way to get the girl is to pester her, stalk her and stare with unblinking, laser-like intensity into her eyes from 5 inches away during all conversations. Usually when this happens, it escalates into a rooftop showdown and the psycho gets killed. This time she marries him. **Event Horizon** for having an intriguing, intelligent hard sci-fi premise at the start and then turning into Hellraiser. I haven’t been so dissapointed since **The Secret of Nimh**. every **sequel** to **Nightmare on Elm Street** , making people forget what an uncommonly good horror film the first one was. **Halloween III.** Words fail me. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/162 "2000-10-23T11:22:06Z")
Cruel Intentions! Not only could i not stay awake during the movie, all the cliches bored me to tears. “hi! I am the school virgin and I go to an exclusive private prep school.Anyway I am going to get the school bitch to set me up with the school player, who are stepbrother/stepsister and I am gonna ask her for sex advice, even though she is a total gossip hag and coke fiend.” Jesus on a jet-ski! i bet my 14 year old sister could write something better! ---
**Author:** ![don\_Jaime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b4bc9f/32.png) [@don\_Jaime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_Jaime)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/163 "2000-10-23T16:14:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by neuroman \* > **(Obscenity deleted - dJ.)** So, **BlackKnight** , **GuanoLad** , **Togepi no Miko** , **quasar** , **Voorvie** , **RickJay** , and yours untruly, **don Jaime** , are scum beneath your shoe, eh? Who the Hell are you to ridicule seven different posters because we don’t like some movie? Piss off, you little troll. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/164 "2000-10-23T18:06:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by don Jaime \* > **So, BlackKnight, GuanoLad, Togepi no Miko, quasar, Voorvie, RickJay, and yours untruly, don Jaime, are scum beneath your shoe, eh? Who the Hell are you to ridicule seven different posters because we don’t like some movie? Piss off, you little troll.** No, I think we can agree to disagree. Or at least agree that the other is a gerbil brained moron. In the interest of keeping this thread out of The Pit, that’s all I’m gonna say here. (Ok, I’ll admit it, that’s where my first post should have gone.) ---
**Author:** ![quasar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/48db29/32.png) [@quasar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quasar)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/165 "2000-10-23T19:24:10Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally vomited by Neuroman_ > quasar secreted… Hey , who told you that I love secreting stuff? 😃 > [@](#): > > _Neuroman farted_ > How could some people compare it to The Matrix and Dark City? ROTFL. Both of these movies are inferior to Brazil. Next time buy a 6 pak of Miller Lite and rent Speed instead. FYI, Speed rocks big time. I feel sorry for you if your intellectual presumptuousness imposes a narrow minded, movie-enjoyment-obstructing attitude upon you. Quick, give the number of the bus Sandra and Keanu rode on? > [@](#): > > _Neuroman brilliantly proposed_ > …Or watch The Matrix for the eighteenth time. Actually, it would be only the sixth but you are right, it should be the eighteenth. Hey, I got an idea. Why, instead of portraying yourself as an ass, don’t you try to explain the rationale behind your assertions. I assure you that a well-structured, statement can be much more efficient towards convincing people and gaining their respect than snotty, wise-ass, sarcastic, pseudo-intellectual remarks. In that vein, let me explain why I disliked Brazil: Basically, it is a problem of narration. The movie bores you from the get-go and never gets a hold of your attention. As such, it might be deploying an incredibly compelling thesis, a philosophically enriching, mind enlightening argument (as did The Matrix), but it all goes for nil since the spectator’s focus was never directed at the movie and the relevant message it was trying to convey. You can not make an impact if your audience’s attention drifts away. Narration is as important as content. If the former doesn’t manifest itself appropriately, that is, in a fluent, well-structured, attention-grasping fashion, the latter would be either not appreciated or not properly understood. That is what happened with Brazil, plain and simple. You can’t believe the huge expectations I had for it. I really tried to watch it in its entirety. I simply couldn’t. It was an exercise in patience and self-sacrifice. I felt like a goddamn masochist, imposing upon myself the worst imaginable, most abominable, despair producing, and suicide inducing tortures. I am all for the search on enlightenment and truth but not at the price Brazil sets on you–eternal boredom. Any RELEVANT input you could provide about where the greatness of the movie resides will be not only appreciated but commented upon in a future post. As for why I liked The Matrix, I have talked extensively about it in other threads. If you are interested I could post here some relevant extracts from such intellectual ramblings or provide you the corresponding links. In any case, I think it would work better if you told me specifically why you didn’t like it and from that we could engage in a potentially enlightening and hopefully mutually beneficial argument. Your friend in time **Quasar** Sorry about that, I just saw **Back to the Future** for the nth time yesterday. Please don’t tell me you didn’t like that one either. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/166 "2000-10-23T19:47:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pepperlandgirl \* > \*\*Ok, let me get a few things straight before I list the movies I hate. > One, **The Green Mile** was true to the book. Which is a good thing. > **Apt Pupil** was NOT true to the book. Don’t watch this movie, read the novella by Stephen King, it’s in _Four Seasons_ > For those of who you don’t like **Gone With the Wind** , all I can do is say that I am very, very sorry for you. I’ve read the book five times and seen the movie at least that much, and do you know what? Scarlett is SUPPOSED to be a bitch, that’s sorta the point of the whole book. > I think there should be a law. Nobody could bad-mouth movies based on books for thre reasons. > 1)It’s almost a given the movie is going to suck anyway, because movies based on books always do. (See “Apt Pupil”) > 2) Most of the people who bitch and moan about said movies haven’t read the book in the first place > 3) Some of the movies such as Gone with the Wind, and THe Green Mile, stay very true to the book. So if you are going to hate them, do so in the “Books I absolutely detest” thread. > > \*\* Well now, if I were going to vote on this law, I think I’d object! 🙂 First of all, I feel it’s valid to dislike a work (of any type) because the lead character does not arouse one’s sympathies. Also, I’ve seen a number of films that were spot-on true to the work they were based upon, but I still didn’t like them–despite loving the book. The BBC has done an excellent series of adaptations of Jane Austen’s works. But I’ve liked some much better than others. One example: I liked the more recent Mansfield Park, which takes a few liberties, much better than the BBC version. I thought the casting of Fanny was simply off in the BBC version. I just couldn’t stay interested in her fate. In the recent big-budget version? Loved that Fanny. But the BBC Pride & Prejudice was significantly better than the Kate Winslet/Emma Thompson version (IMHO)… Wait, where’s that thread I am supposed to be posting all this serious stuff to? Lord, most of you are making me laugh my guts out at your succint expressions of outrage at the movies which have most offended your sense of taste. Bravo. ---
**Author:** ![Phobos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Phobos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phobos)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/167 "2000-10-23T21:41:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by betenoir \* > \*\* > > > [@](#): > > > > \*Originally posted by Phobos \* > > \*\*Man. I can list a hundred bad movies, but I can’t think of one that I actively loathe the same way that Vyvyan from the Young Ones loathes “The Good Life” with Felicity Kendall. \*\* > > “Felicity Kendall is sweetly pretty and I want to …protect her.” \*\* I’ve never heard it called _that_ before! ---
**Author:** ![Edwardina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Edwardina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Edwardina)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2000, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/168 "2000-10-23T21:51:31Z")
I thought of another one, one which has earned my undistilled loathing: **Nothing But Trouble**. Disturbing, unfunny, vicious dentist’s drill of a movie. I actually have a visceral physical response to the memory, (or even the mention) of this horrible waste of time, money and talent. This is a movie that managed to completely avoid the slightest taint of humor even though it starred Chevy Chase, Dan Ackroyd, and John Candy. As if to add insult to injury, they actually found a reason for Demi Moore to be in it. I can’t think of enough bad words to say about it, but some that come to mind are: “filthy,” “fetid,” “folly,” “fracas,” “frightening,” “far-gone” and “total, ass-reaming rip-off.” ---
**Author:** ![Gollum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gollum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gollum)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/169 "2000-10-24T00:10:10Z")
**Hook** Just thinking of it makes me twitch with distaste. Also **Mortal Kombat:annihilation** and **street fighter** It scares me that i saw these. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Teeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Dr.Teeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Teeth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/170 "2000-10-24T02:02:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by neuroman \* > > **BlackKnight** , **Face/Off** is not that terrible. Cheesy at times, but certainly no worse than your average action movie of the summer. Sorry, neuroman, but BlackKnight is right. Face/Off IS that terrible. No, it’s even more terrible than that. ---
**Author:** ![Alpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Alpha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alpha)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/171 "2000-10-24T02:22:53Z")
I’m so sick of the Planet of the Apes series being lauded as deep. It’s a one-joke series. This is the same idea that kept Swift busy for about 3 chapters of Gulliver’s Travels, and he ran out of ideas then too. ---
**Author:** ![Buddy\_Holly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Buddy\_Holly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buddy_Holly)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/172 "2000-10-24T03:37:41Z")
If I had been reading this thread a few weeks ago I probably wouldn’t have been able to identify with many of you’re all’s emotions; There were movies I disliked and found boring, but none I actually loathed. Then I saw The Patriot. I was introduced into a level of hatred unlike any I had ever known before. This movie manipulates your emotions in completely unacceptable ways; the director is simply looking to piss off the audience so that he can have the antagonist seem more evil, without revealing any important insight. It completely over-demonizes the British as well as presenting numerous historical inacurricies. I’m sure if Mel Gibson had lived in the 1700s he would have “freed slaves” working for him. Riiight… Not to mention the fact that this film comitted the error of all errors: not only did it suck, it was unbearably long. Hour after hour passed as I sat there, my rear growing more and more painful. When the torture finally ended I shot out of my seat, rage coursing through my blood, prepared to begin a rant to the manager of the theater about having such awful fair only to find out that… my friends liked it. What was this? They had actually enjoyed this pile of dredge and slime? It was then that I knew who my true friends were- obviously not these strangers. I now sit at home alone throwing darts at my cutout of Mel Gibson, cursing his name and praying for the day when fire spontaneosly erupts from hell to reclaim that which it has sent to us, burning apart all videos and promotional materials for this trash which dares to call itself a film. I also dislike Mortal Kombat 2. ---
**Author:** ![ricksummon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ricksummon/32/3333_2.png) [@ricksummon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricksummon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/173 "2000-10-24T04:24:15Z")
The only movie that I truly remember hating was **Out of Africa.** I saw it when I was twelve because my parents made me. They said it was a great movie, but when asked why, they said it had “great scenery.” Hell, if I wanted great scenery, I’d just watch the family’s slides of Yellowstone. I don’t remember exactly what it’s about; I probably blocked the memory as a defense mechanism. Apparently, some woman goes to Africa, starts a coffee farm, falls in love with Robert Redford, gets syphilis, and returns to England. I may have gotten this plot wrong, but I don’t think it really matters. On a different note, people are ALREADY whining that **Dungeons and Dragons** is going to be a bad movie when all they’ve seen is less than half of the theatrical trailer! Really, I don’t think that’s fair. For one thing, the director and scriptwriters spent about nine years working on the story for this thing. The director had his writers watch every B-grade fantasy film ever made to show them what NOT to do, then showed them great epics like the Seven Samurai to show them what TO do. Several top actors, such as Jeremy Irons, Thora Birch, and Kristen Wilson said they joined the movie solely because of the quality of their characters. The goddamn **inventor** of the D&D game, Dave Arneson, was on set during the making of the movie, and even **he** loved it! And yet, people are still accusing the movie of having “B-movie dialogue” after hearing less than 30 seconds of said dialogue. I guess those people just don’t want to believe this movie could succeed. Well, enough with the bad attitudes already! I, for one, can’t wait to see D&D! ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/174 "2000-10-24T12:02:53Z")
\ There are people out there who don’t adore \*\* Gone With the Wind \*\*! What should I do about you people? I don’t know, I’ll think about that tomorrow! Now, onto the losers, \*\* Pacific Heights \*\* Note to Casting directors: Don’t cast Melanie Griffith in ANY movie except perhaps “Mickey and Minny: A Love Story.” \*\* In Dreams \*\* - A good idea gone horribly awry. Mrs. Spielburg - let Steve read the script ahead of time. He seems to have a better sense of what a good story is. \*\* Eyes Wide Shut \*\* - The film was bad enough. Then there are the rabid Kubrick fans who arrogantly inform any dissenter that that they just didn’t “get it.” \*\* My Best Friend’s Wedding \*\* - My opinion of the average American viewer hadn’t been so low since “Three’s Company” was the number 1 show in America. \*\* Armageddon \*\* - Bruce Willis is the BEST NASA can find?! And, finally, \*\* Blue Velvet \*\* - David Lynch: Brilliant or mentally disturbed? I’m going with the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Rocketeer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocketeer/32/4437_2.png) [@Rocketeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rocketeer)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/175 "2000-10-24T13:21:11Z")
Y’know, all I have to say is that you guys should try reading the reviews more carefully… Almost every one of the stinkers in this thread got gawd-awful reviews; you coulda saved your valuable time & money in 90% of the cases cited above. now, I’ll grant that sometimes you get dragged into it; your girlfriend really really wants to go, or you’re stuck in Nowhere, Kansas, and that’s all there is in town and if you sit in that motel room for one more frigging second you are going to tear that horrible floral pattern wallpaper down and stuff it right down the Ahem. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/176 "2000-10-24T13:25:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ricksummon \* > **The only movie that I truly remember hating was Out of Africa. I saw it when I was twelve because my parents made me. They said it was a great movie, but when asked why, they said it had “great scenery.” Hell, if I wanted great scenery, I’d just watch the family’s slides of Yellowstone. I don’t remember exactly what it’s about; I probably blocked the memory as a defense mechanism. Apparently, some woman goes to Africa, starts a coffee farm, falls in love with Robert Redford, gets syphilis, and returns to England. I may have gotten this plot wrong, but I don’t think it really matters.** No, it doesn’t matter. In an earlier thread I nominated _Out of Africa_ as one of the worst movies to ever win the Oscar for Best Picture. Among movies I loathe, you can throw in some other “epic” snorers that made the grade because the voters evidently fell asleep two hours in (one third of the movie) and assumed it must have been good: - The English Patient - The Last Emperor - Around the World in Eighty Days > [@](#): > > The goddamn **inventor** of the D&D game, Dave Arneson, Forgive my ignorance, but didn’t Gary Gygax invent D&D? I can forgive people assuming a D&D movie will suck, because the odds are heavy it WILL suck, all other things being equal. You have to admit that most fantasy movies suck, and movies based on games always suck, so a combination does not bode well. The fact that the movie took nine years to make is not necessarily a good sign, either, and the fact that Dave Arneson likes it doesn’t necessarily mean anything, either. I’m willing to be convinced, but I can certainly see why people are skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/177 "2000-10-24T13:38:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by PunditLisa \* > \*\* In Dreams \*\* - A good idea gone horribly awry. Mrs. Spielburg - let Steve read the script ahead of time. He seems to have a better sense of what a good story is. > \*\* _In Dreams_ starred Annette Bening, who is married to Warren Beatty. Steven Spielb **e** rg is married to Kate Capshaw. I haven’t seen the movie, so I’m not sure where you were going with that; just clarifying. ---
**Author:** ![Minxsmom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d07c76/32.png) [@Minxsmom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Minxsmom)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/178 "2000-10-24T16:20:54Z")
:: putting on asbestos long johns:: I hate. I loathe. I despise. BOTH **Austin Powers** movies. My only dilemna is which one I like less. ---
**Author:** ![horowitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/2acd7d/32.png) [@horowitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/horowitz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/179 "2000-10-24T17:15:11Z")
**Rudy** If its not bad enough to actually live in South Bend in the shadow of “Our Holy Mother” Notre Dame, now I have to sit through a two hour propaganda film. I think they should have gotten Leni Riefenstahl to direct. ---
**Author:** ![ricksummon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ricksummon/32/3333_2.png) [@ricksummon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ricksummon)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2000, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131/180 "2000-10-24T21:45:33Z")
**RickJay** , I admit I wasn’t being very precise. D&D was invented by Gary Gygax AND Dave Arneson. My point was that the critics of the D&D movie are actually **hoping** it will suck, just so they can say “I told you so.” I find this attitude too cynical for words. Just saying “it’s a fantasy movie, and all fantasy movies suck” isn’t an argument. The director is well aware that MOST fantasy movies suck and took great pains to avoid making the same mistakes. I simply refuse to believe the critics who say that it is **impossible** to make a good D&D movie. Saying Dave Arneson liked it IS an appeal to authority, but I think that he can legitimately be considered an authority on the subject of D&D, given that he’s literally been playing it longer than any other person on Earth. Saying that his opinion on D&D doesn’t matter is like saying that Albert Einstein’s opinion on relativity doesn’t matter. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-movie-do-you-actively-loath/36131.md?page=10)