# What new weapons/weapons tactics have the Russians so far introduced in Ukraine? **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Tags:** ukraine-invasion\ **Created:** [February 27, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204 "2022-02-27T23:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/181 "2022-04-15T14:31:28Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Last I heard was that the Moskva wasn’t sunk in the initial attack, but then sank later while it was being towed back to dock. When I wrote that the ship had initially been reported sunk then Moscow said it wasn’t. Later it did sink in apparently bad weather while being towed. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/182 "2022-04-15T14:35:07Z")
Firefighting is half of what crews train for. The fact that the missle was only rated to take out a 5k ton ship may mean that yes, an ammo explosion caused the major damage. This should have been controlled better by ship design and proper fire control procedures. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/183 "2022-04-15T15:13:19Z")
It’s not without historical precedent; magazine/munitions explosions have been a very common reason for ships to sink in the past century and a half. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/184 "2022-04-19T22:41:57Z")
Well if deploying a cruiser with the capacity to dive is not a new and surprising tactic I don’t know what is. /[ducks and dives](https://www.publicdomainpictures.net/pictures/60000/velka/diving-duck.jpg)… ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/185 "2022-04-19T23:56:42Z")
Q: Why do new Russian navy ships have glass bottoms? A: So they can see the old Russian navy ships. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/186 "2022-04-20T00:02:04Z")
> [@bump](#): > > It’s not without historical precedent; magazine/munitions explosions have been a very common reason for ships to sink in the past century and a half. Way longer than that - pretty much since ships first started carrying gunpowder. Happens a few times in the Aubrey/Maturin novels; the novels also describe the safety precautions in use at the time to safeguard against explosion. Hell, there’s a good chance a ships were lost when their stockpile of flaming arrows caught fire. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/187 "2022-04-20T00:09:53Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > I don’t think in isolation it is all that relevant to anything. There is nothing particularly special about it at all. The T-80 was a fairly widely built model, this is just one with a few extra things bolted onto it. It’s like a car you stick a few extra aftermarket features on. For a variety of reasons, the T-80 was never considered a ringing success, and Soviet/Russian crews always preferred the T-72. The newer T-90 is based on the 72, not the 80. ---
**Author:** ![md-2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@md-2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/md-2000)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204/188 "2022-04-20T05:52:55Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Last I heard was that the Moskva wasn’t sunk in the initial attack, but then sank later while it was being towed back to dock. “This one burned down, fell over, and sank into the ~~swamp~~ sea.” > [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > This should have been controlled better by ship design and proper fire control procedures. Competence and training may be necessary at times also. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-new-weapons-weapons-tactics-have-the-russians-so-far-introduced-in-ukraine/960204.md?page=9)