# What? No thread on O'Reilly's latest bullshit? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2004, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540 "2004-06-22T00:50:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/61 "2004-06-22T19:38:24Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > …I’ve been seeing this phrase, or variations on it, rather frequently of late on the SDMB. And goddamn, is it offensive. What the hell causes people to be so fucking intolerant of the views of others that they think it’s ok, no matter how hyperbolic, to even allude to the wish that their opponents would off themselves? It’s decidely disgusting, wholly reprehensible, and just plain not nice. To ‘Drink the Kool Aid’ is to join “…the Collective and become part of the anti-Bush hivemind.”, as **Gobear** said. Or become a Raelian. Or the Moonies. Or any group whose membership simply defies logic. The group in question here is not merely the ‘anti-Bush’ crowd, it is the ‘We are carpet bombing innocent puppies because Buschco needs to feed fresh blood to Cheney’ crowd. No wishes of suicide or bodily harm are intended towards **Gobear.** (Even though I bet KERRYCO [hah! take _that_, Left!] has him wearing orange robes, banging a tambourine, and selling flowers at the airport.) ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/62 "2004-06-22T19:42:58Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > No wishes of suicide or bodily harm are intended towards **Gobear.** (Even though I bet KERRYCO [hah! take _that_, Left!] has him wearing orange robes, banging a tambourine, and selling flowers at the airport.) Given my strong hostility to religion and superstition, I wouldn’t count on it. See, I’m not so much pro-Kerry as I am anti-Bush. As for “defying logic,” please demonstrate how my reasons for detesting Bush are illogical. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/63 "2004-06-22T20:16:07Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > As for “defying logic,” please demonstrate how my reasons for detesting Bush are illogical. It’s not so much your reasons for ‘detesting Bush’, which though I believe are wrong, do not in and of themselves have you going door to door and asking people if they have Kerry in their lives. (Huzzah!) It’s stuff like this that raises an eyebrow: > [@](#): > > Well, I guess not really innocent. After all, they are guilyy of being Iraqi. Bombing Iraqis because they are Iraqis? Come on. That’s the ‘drama’ and logic-defying sentiment that I am talking about. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/64 "2004-06-22T20:21:42Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > Bombing Iraqis because they are Iraqis? Come on. That’s the ‘drama’ and logic-defying sentiment that I am talking about. Hey, that’s just exegesis of O’Reilly’s comments > [@](#): > > And I don’t have any respect by and large for the Iraqi people at all. I have no respect for them. I think that they’re a prehistoric group that is – yeah, there’s excuses. > . . . > > What we can do is bomb the living daylights out of them, just like we did in the Balkans. Just as we did in the Balkans. Bomb the living daylights out of them Don’t blame me for “‘drama’ and logic-defying sentiment” when I’m just echoing O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/65 "2004-06-22T20:22:32Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > It’s not so much your reasons for ‘detesting Bush’, which though I believe are wrong, do not in and of themselves have you going door to door and asking people if they have Kerry in their lives. (Huzzah!) > > It’s stuff like this that raises an eyebrow: > > Bombing Iraqis because they are Iraqis? Come on. That’s the ‘drama’ and logic-defying sentiment that I am talking about. [Presuming to speak for **Gobear**] That was a facetious reference to the comments made by Bill O’Reilly as quoted in the OP who said [paraphrasing] that we can’t win hearts and minds but we can bomb the hell out of them. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/66 "2004-06-22T20:31:46Z")
Well, that may be the most pointless post I’ve ever made. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/67 "2004-06-22T20:34:27Z")
You wish. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/68 "2004-06-22T20:48:36Z")
Et tu, Lucy? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/69 "2004-06-22T21:11:55Z")
“No blow too low, no shot too cheap” Words to live by. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/70 "2004-06-22T21:25:48Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Et tu, Lucy? you should be grateful, leading with your chin that way. I almost took the shot myself . ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/71 "2004-06-22T21:36:35Z")
> [@](#): > > If I jabbed Bill O’Reilly in the eye with a sharp stick as a favor to him, do you think he’d appreciate it? I betcha if you amputated O’Reilly’s gangrenous leg and saved his life, five’ll getcha ten that he’d be your best friend for the rest of his life. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/72 "2004-06-22T23:36:56Z")
I think Bill O. has seen the light, that was set at 911 degrees by Moore, and finally got the guts to declare that Bush is doing a terrible job at winning ‘hearts and minds’, of many in even the Republican Party, never mind those in Iraq. Now this is the real ‘No Spin Zone’ that he is advertising. When the election of officials in Iraq hinges on who disses the US more stridently, he is more than right in this regard. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2004, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/73 "2004-06-22T23:43:00Z")
> [@capacitor](#): > > …When the election of officials in Iraq hinges on who disses the US more stridently, he is more than right in this regard. Need some more on this. Not contradicting, mind you, just interested. I noted someone writing last month that Ahmed Chalabi was bad-mouthing the US trying to put some distance between, in an effort for credibility. But I wasn’t aware that it had become common, or that Iraqis were “campaigning” in any meaningful way. So, “cite?”…but not in a bad way. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/74 "2004-06-23T00:13:55Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > I betcha if you amputated O’Reilly’s gangrenous leg and saved his life, five’ll getcha ten that he’d be your best friend for the rest of his life. How about if we kill his family to save him from his government? That’s more akin to what we’ve done to Iraq. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/75 "2004-06-23T00:23:00Z")
> [@Jonathan Chance](#): > > Am I the only one who noticed that O’Reilly actually seems to be endorsing the policy that Clinton used rather than the one GWB enacted? > > I think that hurts my brain… That was exactly my thought: NEWSFLASH: BILL O’REILLY says, “President Clinton was right abd President Bush is wrong on foreign policy.” I believe that befpre he could bring himself to say those exact words, his head would actually explode. And he’s really angry with the Iraqi people because they are fucking up being occupoed so bad it’s going to cost GWB the election. :smack: I’m quite sure Rush would feel that such a sin makes them worthy of being nuked. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/76 "2004-06-23T06:42:20Z")
“If Bush lied – if he lied – I’ll be the first one to hang him, OK?” –Bill O’Reilly, July 9, 2003 I don’t see Bill going for the rope, do you? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/77 "2004-06-23T12:49:11Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > I betcha if you amputated O’Reilly’s gangrenous leg and saved his life, five’ll getcha ten that he’d be your best friend for the rest of his life. So why aren’t the Iraqis our best friends right now? Don’t give me some lame-ass bullshit about how they’re ungrateful for all of the wonderful favors we did for them. There is a reason they’re still shooting at us. They see us as being every bit as bad as Saddam. Why do you suppose that is? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/78 "2004-06-23T17:05:10Z")
It depends on which Iraqis. The Kurds love us. Some of the Shiites think we are just fine…especially the ones who lived in fear under Saddam. Some of the more fundamental Shiites like Al Sadr types don’t like us…and most of the Sunnis that had power and influence under Saddam don’t want us looking too closely at them. I suspect most Iraqis are happy to have running water and food to eat and not having their daughters kidnapped and raped. And before many of you start screaming “Abu Ghraib!” to try to equate Bush with Saddam, keep in mind the number and severity of the atrocities when comparing the two. As for O’Reilly…I see him expouse moderate to rightward opinions based on the issues. He appears to me to be more of a pragmatist than anything else. He is not a Nazi-saluting racist or any of the other cliches that the left views the right with. The further left you are, the more likely you are to disagree with him…but try to be objective about the issue and the opinions before you generalize. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/79 "2004-06-24T03:12:27Z")
> [@](#): > > **John Carter** : O’Reilly lost it on this one. The whole thing had no point and made no sense. He seemed confused and disoriented. It was his attempt to fake liberalism so that he can refer to his impartiality. 😛 > [@](#): > > **Shodan** : > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by Reeder > > [http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op...order=0&thold=0](http://www.altpr.org/modules.php?op...order=0&thold=0) > > > > Why the hell don’t they shut this asshole up? > > Who’s “they”? What do you recommend - arrest, shutting down his show, assassination? > > As, once again, we see cries for censorship coming, not from any Republican, but from the fringe elements of the Left. Not to mention that Reeder, of all people, characterizes the idea that “you’re not going to win in Iraq” as bullshit. _Cries_ for censorship? fringe _elements_? Since when does one person – Reeder – become a group effort to silence O’Reilly? I fully agree with DtC that O’Reilly is showing signs of mental illness. He’s not just some mean SOB like Rush. If he keeps going at this rate, something’s gotta give. I wouldn’t be surprised if Fox either temporarily pulls his show while Bill takes a break or allows him to continue until he _becomes_ the news with unpleasant consequences. No censorship. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2004, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540/80 "2004-06-24T04:05:41Z")
> [@Evil One](#): > > I suspect most Iraqis are happy to have running water and food to eat and not having their daughters kidnapped and raped. By “are,” do you mean “would be”? Because that whole clean water, elctricity, and law and order thing is not, by most reports, working out so well. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-thread-on-oreillys-latest-bullshit/251540.md?page=5)