# What, No Tony Awards Thread? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 7, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022 "2004-06-07T01:24:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/1 "2004-06-07T01:24:23Z")
I’m the only theater queen here? . . . Some half-point notes: Hugh Jackman’s wife looks like a blow-up sex doll. And she is indeed a very lucky woman. The songs showcased from _Wicked_ and _Caroline, or Change_ were terrible! The performers were terrific (doesn’t Idina Menzel look great in green?), but the _Wicked_ song was like a _Simpsons_ parody of all bad B’way show tunes, and the _Caroline_ number was just so much self-indulgent caterwauling. No standing obvation for Carol Channing? You have to love Carol, even when she’s rapping with L.L. Cool J., not a wise move. Love the fact that there are Stars again on B’way: Kristen Chenoweth, Donna Murphy, Hugh Jackman, bring back the old Merman/Martin/Keel days. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/2 "2004-06-07T01:39:05Z")
Only theater queen? Hardly, dahlink! > [@](#): > > The songs showcased from Wicked and Caroline, or Change were terrible! The performers were terrific (doesn’t Idina Menzel look great in green?), but the Wicked song was like a Simpsons parody of all bad B’way show tunes, and the Caroline number was just so much self-indulgent caterwauling. It’s not the songs, it’s the staging and the cuts made for time, which screwed up both songs. “Lot’s Wife” is a powerful revelation of Caroline’s pain, and it works on the CD (haven’t seen the show yet) And I adore _Wicked_! That is a sensational show, and the song “Defying Gravity” is amazing on stage. OTOG, I loathe _Wonderful Town_, which has IMO the worst couplet ever written for Broadway “Why-o, who-o, wh-o Did i ever leave Ohio?” Loved the finale from _Assassins_–forget Hugh Jackman, I must have Neil Patrick Harris oiled and brought to me now! ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/3 "2004-06-07T01:47:25Z")
I was coming over to start a thread:). I might have to challenge you for that role of theatre queen;). You really didn’t like either song? Defying Gravity is one of my favorites - Idina’s absolutely mind-blowing in it. I was a bit surprised that they chose that song, since it mainly showcases Idina, but I do love it. I’m disappointed that my dear Norbert Leo Butz (Fiyero) wasn’t shown at all, but without a nomination, I guess there’s no reason to do so. And I thought it was a great choice for Tonya - showcased her brilliant talents. It reminded me of Bernadette doing the finale from _Gypsy_ last year. I was VERY upset with the chopped up version of Tradition from _Fiddler_, however. It might have been nice to showcase a couple others from the cast who did such a gorgeous job (like Randy Graff). Everybody’s Got the Right was great - I saw that a few weeks ago (along with Wicked the next night), and LOVED it. I still don’t understand why it’s not freakin’ in the Best Musical category and in the Best Revival instead. It’s NEVER BEEN ON BROADWAY! Sheesh. (Pet peeve, obviously). Have to agree about the stars - I feel like this is the best year Broadway’s had in years. Hated Marissa Jaret Winokur last year - if you ask me, if you’re on Broadway, you should at least be able to sing on-key, which Marissa didn’t achieve much of the time. Her successor, Kathy Brier, was much better. Some of the awards have been a bit surprising (Best Book and Best Score), but most have been pretty expected - I’m pretty happy so far. I have a feeling the underdog is going to pull it out for Best Musical. I’ve decided I’ll be happy with whoever wins the Best Actress category - I’ve never seen a group of women where one deserves it as much as the next person. Ava ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/4 "2004-06-07T01:52:09Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Only theater queen? Hardly, dahlink! > It’s not the songs, it’s the staging and the cuts made for time, which screwed up both songs. “Lot’s Wife” is a powerful revelation of Caroline’s pain, and it works on the CD (haven’t seen the show yet) > > And I adore _Wicked_! That is a sensational show, and the song “Defying Gravity” is amazing on stage. > > OTOG, I loathe _Wonderful Town_, which has IMO the worst couplet ever written for Broadway > “Why-o, who-o, wh-o > Did i ever leave Ohio?” > > Loved the finale from _Assassins_–forget Hugh Jackman, I must have Neil Patrick Harris oiled and brought to me now! Have you seen _Assassins_ yet? If not, run, don’t walk, to the theatre - it’s BRILLIANT. And I see there’s another Wicked fan around;). I think my fiance is getting sick of the show since I play it constantly. It’s definitely outstanding on stage. Again, must plug Norbert, my hottie (and also amazing in _The Last Five Years_). I don’t care for _Wonderful Town_, but Donna Murphy is fantastic (I’m running out of adjectives!). This is so my night. I’ve already hung up quickly on one friend who dared to call during the show. Most of my friends know that you do NOT call me during the Tonys. (And Avenue Q just finished - reminds me that I need to stop singing “The Internet is For Porn” at work…). Ava ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/5 "2004-06-07T01:54:57Z")
“Everybody’s Got the Right” is a good ensemble number, but my favorite song from that show is “Unworthy of Your Love.” And I wish they had chosen “Everybody’s a Little Bit Racist” for the broadcast instead of “It Sucks To Be Me.” ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/6 "2004-06-07T01:56:43Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > “Everybody’s Got the Right” is a good ensemble number, but my favorite song from that show is “Unworthy of Your Love.” > > And I wish they had chosen “Everybody’s a Little Bit Racist” for the broadcast instead of “It Sucks To Be Me.” “Unworthy” is good - a little grotesque on stage, but a fun little number (And now I start many conversations with a friend with “Charlie says…!”). Something tells me they had a hard time finding a song from _Avenue Q_ that would get through the censors… Ava ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/7 "2004-06-07T02:02:04Z")
So was Phylicia Rashad channeling Eve Harrington accepting the Sarah Siddons Award? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d26b3c/32.png) [@Mr.Blue\_Sky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Blue_Sky)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/8 "2004-06-07T02:07:13Z")
Damn! I was pulling for Isabel Keating (she’s from Savannah, too) to win. Oh well, there’s always next year. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/9 "2004-06-07T02:10:32Z")
Oh, _my_! ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/10 "2004-06-07T02:12:42Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Oh, _my_! All I can say is ‘day-um!!’. I needs me some Hugh. Ava ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/11 "2004-06-07T02:22:00Z")
Woohoo! Many long years of trying to get this show on Broadway, and _Assassins_ finally gets their Tony. About damn time. Ava ---
**Author:** ![Elza\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Elza\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elza_B)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/12 "2004-06-07T02:48:36Z")
Okay, I can die happy. My favorite actress won. (Would someone else post so I don’t feel so lonely?:)). Ava ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/13 "2004-06-07T02:50:52Z")
> [@Eve](#): > > No standing obvation for Carol Channing? You have to love Carol, even when she’s rapping with L.L. Cool J., not a wise move. After Carol’s autobiographical revelation that her father was African-American (or was it 1/2? Either way…) I found her rapping with LL Cool J to be oddly appropos. But maybe that’s just me. Meanwhile, can I just say Puppets! Puppets Puppets Puppets! Idina! Idina Idina Idina! Whoo! 😛 (Green smiley for Elphaba.)) Oh, and Hugh! Hugh Hugh Hugh! 🙂 (Gold smiley for the shiney Peter.) Those three shows (Avenue Q, Wicked and Boy From Oz) have brought a much-needed rejuvenation to Broadway, and darn is it exciting to celebrate them, even if the mainstream entertainment world couldn’t be bothered to care. Oh, and yeah, Deborah Lee-Furness does look like a blow-up doll. But a sexy one. I think she and Hugh are both lucky people. (To say nothing of Idina Menzel and Taye Diggs. Ooof, get me a fan, it’s getting warm in here.) ---
**Author:** ![malkabat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@malkabat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/malkabat)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/14 "2004-06-07T05:18:35Z")
I saw Linda Muggleston (Donna Murphy’s understudy) in Wonderful Town and I’m **glad** I say, **glad!** Murphy looked like RUTH GORDON (rest her soul) tonight - tiny, emaciated, hunched and OLD! What is with these actresses who feel they have to Pilates themselves an inch away from death? Yeesh. Muggleston was _wonderful_, and on top of that, looked like a real live girl. That said, I love me some Hugh Jackman. When I saw Boy From Oz, I thought I was having a good night when he appeared in that tight, black t-shirt. But then he dropped trou! My goodness, I 'bout had me a case of the vapours! The man could crush cantaloupe with his thighs, I swear. ---
**Author:** ![Kallessa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7993a0/32.png) [@Kallessa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kallessa)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/15 "2004-06-07T06:36:45Z")
First, Hugh Jackman is mine. He has been for several years, and since I have seen him live on Broadway, his position in my pantheon (as well as my heart) is secure. The rest of you can lust, I mean look, but he’s mine. Really. Next, living as I do, on the other side of the continent from New York, my ability to see Broadway plays is limited, but I have always been a fan of the Tony’s. I must agree that it is good to see the re-emergence of the Broadway Stars. I was recently in New York and was feeling okay about seeing three plays (_Boy From Oz, Embedded. Gypsy_. Now I just can’t thinking I should have shoehorned in at least one more play, maybe two. I could have gotten tickets to _Avenue Q_, I debated seeing _I Am My Own Wife_, I should have made up my mine early enough to have gotten tickets to _Wicked_. I want to be a theater queen, really I do, I’m just so far away. \ Back to the Tony’s–I thought the show was well done, although I have to say that, as someone who hasn’t seen _Caroline or Change_, that song would not made me want to see it if I didn’t already, and the song from _Wicked_ also left me a little cold. Jackman’s _Boy Next Door_ was done wonderfully, but then, that play’s the best thing I’ve ever seen on stage, so my impression may be biased. Should anyone want a companion willing to see anything performed live on stage, I’m available–I’ll even pay for my own ticket, you just have to pay for my flight to New York. ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/16 "2004-06-07T08:20:17Z")
> [@avabeth](#): > > Okay, I can die happy. My favorite actress won. > > (Would someone else post so I don’t feel so lonely?:)). > > Ava So… that was Hugh Jackman? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/17 "2004-06-07T12:47:25Z")
Had Billy Joel been drinking? I hope Sean Combs can act better than he can read a teleprompter. Phylica Rashad, one Tony does not make you a Broadway Diva. Whose idea was it for Mary J. Blige to do “What I Did For Love” and I hope they were fired? How long before Audra McDonald holds the record for lifetime Tony Awards (I first noticed her in the chorus of Carousel in 1993!). Hugh Jackman and John Taligarlio…sigh! And a great big YEAH! to AQ ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/18 "2004-06-07T12:49:10Z")
> [@TeaElle](#): > > Oh, and Hugh! Hugh Hugh Hugh! 🙂 (Gold smiley for the shiney Peter.) Puh-_lease!_ I loved the numbers from _Avenue Q_ and _Assassins_ (and I remember the _first_ run of that, which opened and closed like a camera shutter. It was odd seeing someone onstage playing John Hinkley last night (and that will be my One and Only Reagan Comment). I’m happy you won, Phylicia, but it is not a Nobel Peace Prize. Just say “thank you” and sit down. Who knew Sarah Jessica Parker was so easily embarrassed? And who thinks _Boy from Oz_ will stay open five minutes after Hugh leaves? Hell, people didn’t pay to see Peter Allen himself when he was on B’way! ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/19 "2004-06-07T12:59:11Z")
There’s talk of reviving “Legs Diamond” with Hugh Jackman in the lead :eek: Also talk of his being replaced in OZ by Warning: Not for faint of heart or weak of stomach John Travolta :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2004, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022/20 "2004-06-07T13:02:39Z")
Near the top of my list of “Things to do Before I Die” is seeing a Broadway play (preferably a musical). I don’t see the attraction in Hugh Jackman. He usually looks a little asymmetrical to me. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-no-tony-awards-thread/249022.md?page=2)