# What now for the DC-verse? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203 "2013-06-17T19:34:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/21 "2013-06-17T22:20:11Z")
I have a feeling ‘ancient Kryptonian explorers’ will play a part in why some people now have powers. Sort of like an X-Men mutant gene triggered by lab accidents and such. ---
**Author:** ![Reno\_Nevada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Reno\_Nevada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reno_Nevada)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/22 "2013-06-17T22:22:42Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Guy Gardner is actually quite a fresh character in terms of superheroes, because he’s a complete dick. He would actually provide something new in a superhero film, and it would be great to see Batman having to deal with someone who isn’t remotely intimidated by him. On the one hand, I agree with you that a superhero who is a compete dick could lead to something fresh and new; \*\*\*Hancock \*\*\*tried to do it but, IMHO, threw too much into the story and screwed it up. On the other hand, any confrontation between Gardner and Batman really has to go like this: [One punch! ONE PUNCH!](http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/One_Punch?file=Guy_Gardner_KTFO.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/23 "2013-06-18T01:29:14Z")
What can I say but **Bwahh hah hah hahh!** ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/24 "2013-06-18T01:29:51Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Guy Gardner is actually quite a fresh character in terms of superheroes, because he’s a complete dick. He would actually provide something new in a superhero film Well, leaving aside the Comedian. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/25 "2013-06-18T01:35:48Z")
> [@Bakhesh](#): > > Because John Stewart isn’t any more interesting than Hal Jordan. Guy Gardner is actually quite a fresh character in terms of superheroes, because he’s a complete dick. Does the name Hancock sound familiar? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/26 "2013-06-18T02:12:02Z")
Guy Gardner is hardly “fresh”. His status as a dick goes back to the eighties. Nowadays so many characters have been given “gritty” reboots, being a super-powered dick is a cliche. Hell, I don’t think Mark Millar has ever written a character that isn’t a dick. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/27 "2013-06-18T15:28:20Z")
I think a Justice League Movie is a mistake. Really what people want is to see Superman and Batman in the same movie so they should just do that but first, a second Man of Steel with Lex Luthor as the villain. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/28 "2013-06-18T16:26:56Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I think a Justice League Movie is a mistake. Really what people want is to see Superman and Batman in the same movie so they should just do that but first, a second Man of Steel with Lex Luthor as the villain. Exactly. The moviegoing public gives less than two shits about Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, and the rest of the JLA. But they love Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Throw them all together (DC called this team-up “Trinity” for awhile, but “World’s Finest” works even with the introduction of Wonder Woman) and rake in the millions. The only reason it worked with The Avengers is because Captain America and The Hulk are tier one superheroes that even people unfamiliar with comics know about. Throw in Iron Man (superpopular) and Thor (who had a well-received warm-up movie) and you’ve got a hit. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/29 "2013-06-18T16:34:33Z")
I would love for them to do a Justice League movie where they don’t even acknowledge that Superman exists for the first hour of the movie (maybe some throwaway lines - “does XYZ once and he thinks he’s Superman” or something) then just have him show up during a giant fight scene. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/30 "2013-06-18T16:56:16Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I would love for them to do a Justice League movie where they don’t even acknowledge that Superman exists for the first hour of the movie (maybe some throwaway lines - “does XYZ once and he thinks he’s Superman” or something) then just have him show up during a giant fight scene. Deus Ex Superman? ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/31 "2013-06-18T17:11:35Z")
> [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I would love for them to do a Justice League movie where they don’t even acknowledge that Superman exists for the first hour of the movie (maybe some throwaway lines - “does XYZ once and he thinks he’s Superman” or something) then just have him show up during a giant fight scene. Which is basically what the Avengers movie did with the Hulk. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/32 "2013-06-18T17:17:43Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Exactly. The moviegoing public gives less than two shits about Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Cyborg, and the rest of the JLA. But they love Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. Throw them all together (DC called this team-up “Trinity” for awhile, but “World’s Finest” works even with the introduction of Wonder Woman) and rake in the millions. Seriously. Just those 3 together in a\* **good** \*movie will make tons and tons and tons of money. There’s no need to chase Marvel’s model for success. I actually think Marvel’s model is gonna suffer from oversaturation very soon. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/33 "2013-06-18T20:03:17Z")
[QUOTE=Prof. Pepperwinkle] > [@Tom\_Scud](#): > > I would love for them to do a Justice League movie where they don’t even acknowledge that Superman exists for the first hour of the movie (maybe some throwaway lines - “does XYZ once and he thinks he’s Superman” or something) then just have him show up during a giant fight scene. Which is basically what the Avengers movie did with the Hulk. [/QUOTE] I’m trying to imagine the audience response if Henry Cavill plays a top-billed role in the Justice League movie as – the bespectacled journalist interviewing the costumed heroes. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2013, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/34 "2013-06-18T20:18:07Z")
> [@planetcory](#): > > Seriously. Just those 3 together in a\* **good** \*movie will make tons and tons and tons of money. There’s no need to chase Marvel’s model for success. > > I actually think Marvel’s model is gonna suffer from oversaturation very soon. Yes I think things are ripe for a Marvel Backlash whether it ends up being deserved or not. I’m not even sure the Batman/Superman movie I am imagining needs Wonder Woman. I think it’s really just Batman and Superman 90% of the viewing audience cares about but yeah, it has to be good. Not a cash in. The “World’s Finest” episodes of Superman TAS would be a good template. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/35 "2013-06-19T00:46:39Z")
A Green Lantern movie would be viewed as a reboot, even if it starred a different Lantern. Thing is, the vast majority of the population doesn’t realize that there’s more than one Green Lantern. They may know of a character called Green Lantern, but as far as they’re concerned, he’s _one_ character. ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/36 "2013-06-19T03:12:54Z")
> [@Blaster\_Master](#): > > I could see them doing a little name dropping of him in some other film and leaving a lot of anticipation for Batman on Justice League. One of my favorite moments on S:TAS is Ma Kent (Shelley Fabares) telling Clark to agree to an interview because “I don’t want you looking like that _nut_ in Gotham City.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/37 "2013-06-19T04:15:38Z")
> [@Reno\_Nevada](#): > > On the one hand, I agree with you that a superhero who is a compete dick could lead to something fresh and new; \*\*\*Hancock \*\*\*tried to do it but, IMHO, threw too much into the story and screwed it up. > > On the other hand, any confrontation between Gardner and Batman really has to go like this: [One punch! ONE PUNCH!](http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/One_Punch?file=Guy_Gardner_KTFO.jpg) This. That’s still my number one favorite page of DC comics, period. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/38 "2013-06-19T06:19:05Z")
The should make World’s Finest first. That’s Superman and Batman. They could even have a paranoid prep-time Batman go up against Superman in the first act. Darwyn Cooke had a great take on that in his New Frontier one shot. Lead lined batcave, a hunk of Kryptonite Catwoman stole from Luthor for Bats, and lots of other gadgetry. ---
**Author:** ![Bakhesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Bakhesh](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bakhesh)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/39 "2013-06-19T08:47:15Z")
I would quite like to see a Batman/Superman fight in a movie, simply because Batman is soooo heavily outmatched, it would be interesting to see how they made it work. On paper, he has time to come up with cunning plans to fight his corner, but in the movie version, he wouldn’t have time to blink before Supes knocked him unconscious, let alone get out his secret stash of kryptonite. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2013, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/40 "2013-06-19T10:57:14Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > The should make World’s Finest first. That’s Superman and Batman. They could even have a paranoid prep-time Batman go up against Superman in the first act. Darwyn Cooke had a great take on that in his New Frontier one shot. Lead lined batcave, a hunk of Kryptonite Catwoman stole from Luthor for Bats, and lots of other gadgetry. And Keith Miller’s Batman Returns has Batman beat the stuffing out of Superman, because… he was prepared. At this point it’s more interesting if Superman beats Batman. But yes, a World’s Finest movie first is a great idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203.md?page=3)