# What now for the DC-verse? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 17, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203 "2013-06-17T19:34:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/61 "2013-06-21T14:19:46Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > One thing I would like to see the DC Movies bring back is making their fictional Cities look more stylized. With the next Man of Steel, they have a good opportunity. Since Metropolis is in ruins, I would love to see it rebuilt as a Sci Fi Art Deco City of the Future for the next Movie Brought to you by our leading architect, city planner Lex Luthor. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/62 "2013-06-21T14:41:15Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Brought to you by our leading architect, city planner Lex Luthor. Now there’s a step down from President… ---
**Author:** ![smiling\_bandit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@smiling\_bandit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smiling_bandit)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/63 "2013-06-21T15:16:29Z")
AT the risk of really stretching things, I disagree with the general idea “Yeah, let’s modernize this hero or that hero!” Wonder Woman does not need to be gritty. Campy probably won’t sell, but dark, gritty, emo, or even troubled is really obnoxious. Hell, look at Iron man: He works because he’s not some “realistic superhero”. He’s a realistic character who is a superhero. He has numerous character flaws, but he doesn’t brood about them. He’s realistic at being human; and that his superheroic life has consequences. Even characters like Hulk, Thor, and Hawkeye have a lot of _fun_ just trashing things, beating the badguys into a pulp, and saving the world in the process. Likewise, the “new, realistic” Superman is just kinda boring. I don’t really want to see Superman brood. I don’t even really want to see Batman brood (however, they may manfully look over their respective cities from a high rooftop and ponder the immense responsibilities of the Battles They Must Win once per movie). I _definitely_ don’t want to see Wonder Woman brood - I want to see her pick up a sword forged by Hephaestus and chop a monster’s damn head off, and then hop in her invisible jet to drop by the Watchtower to put Cheetah away into some superprison. Hell, I’d rather see her apologize for being late to a Girl’s Night Out party than brood. This doesn’t mean you can’t have more serious moments, but the supposedly “modern” superhero takes aren’t mature. They’re just the emo cousin to the bloody-handed 90’s idiocy which thought that murderous psychotics was “grown up”. I mean, this is Superman. Dude can fly, carry an ocean liner, and shoot lasers from his eyes. He can afford to crack a smile. Wonder Woman can gleefully pound creature of ancient myth into the dirt. Batman can… err… umm… Alright, he doesn’t really smile. But two out of three ain’t bad, and this is the guy who jumps off skyscrapers and is sometimes known as the Goddamn Batman. And there’s the big issue. These are superheroes. I don’t have a problem with the zany costumes, the codenames, the mythology, and the human elements, too. They’re all important and I want to see it all - and have fun at the same time. As far as I’m concerned, this is where the Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel go wrong: they’re half-afraid to embrace the complete superhero. And this is where Avengers goes right: it’s utterly shameless, not afraid to dismiss its own egotism and embrace the pulp nature of the story. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/64 "2013-06-21T15:28:22Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Now there’s a step down from President “I am a lawyer. I own a bowling alley. Two separate things.” ---
**Author:** ![Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/earl_snake-hips_tucker/32/3269_2.png) [@Earl\_Snake-Hips\_Tucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earl_Snake-Hips_Tucker)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/65 "2013-06-21T15:38:55Z")
I heard that a [Metal Men](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=415253) movie is forthcoming. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203/66 "2013-06-21T21:17:16Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > . . . Hell, I’d rather see her [Wonder Woman] apologize for being late to a Girl’s Night Out party than brood. . . . Did you catch the J. Michael Straczinski one-shot with Wonder Woman, Zatanna, and Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) having a girls’ night out? Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. One of the best one-shots ever ever. And, yes, Wonder Woman should not be moody. She’s a bright light of reason. She can be fierce, but never hesitant. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-now-for-the-dc-verse/661203.md?page=3)