# What of France, If Germany Had Won WWII

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**Created:** [February 13, 2003, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-of-france-if-germany-had-won-wwii/154819 "2003-02-13T13:32:07Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 15, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-of-france-if-germany-had-won-wwii/154819/21 "2003-02-15T17:48:17Z")

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> \*Originally posted by tschild \*  
> \*\*As expansion in East was more important to the Nazi leadership’s long-term aspirations, one possible course of events could have been:
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> early 1941: Germany able to attack the Soviet Union months earlier than it would have been possible with an ongoing war in the West. Able to occupy most of European Russia, including Moscow, before onset of winter\*\*

The spring rain made an earlier start impossible, especially since the German plan depended on an early rapid advance to encircle SU armies before they could withdraw. With more men and resources the German would capture more land but if lend-lease is comming to SU Germany will lose the war.

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> 7 Dec 1941: Pearl Harbor (no reason for this to have been influenced by the war in Europe).\*\*

If Britain hadn’t been fighting a war in Europe Japan would have lost badly, they didn’t even capture India when it was Britains 3. priority. The japanese knew this and would not have stated the war in those circumstances.

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> \*\*1942-1945: Germany consolidates hold on Eastern Europe. Holocaust progressing unhindered, with very, very few survivors.  
> early 1945: Japan surrenders (U.S. resources were not divided between Europe and Pacific).  
> U.S. and Britain consider German-dominated Europe intolerable threat.  
> 1946 or 1947: multiple nuclear bombs on German cities. (German nuclear research still at lab stage)
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> France emerges as an independent medium power, albeit with stronger links to UK/US because there is no German economy left to trade with. \*\*

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