# What PC Games should be remade? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 22, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141 "2007-04-22T02:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/21 "2007-04-22T09:24:16Z")
I was dissapointed with UFO: Aftermath. They went from turn based to real time with a lot of pauses and it lost something. I really wanted to like it, but something about it just didn’t grab my interest. ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/22 "2007-04-22T09:38:53Z")
Nope, nope, nope. Any X-COM update has to be turn based, anyone who disagrees will be burned at the stake as a heretic. :mad: One guy: “Hey, you got your RTS in my X-COM.” Other guy: “Hey, you got your X-COM in my RTS.” Both guys: “Damn, this sucks donkey balls.” **essell** , please link me or give me the title so I can search it myself, you big tease. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![essell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/34f0e0/32.png) [@essell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essell)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/23 "2007-04-22T14:39:31Z")
[QUOTE=SenorBeef] I was dissapointed with UFO: Aftermath. They went from turn based to real time with a lot of pauses and it lost something. I really wanted to like it, but something about it just didn’t grab my interest. [/QUOTE] I agree it lost the X-Com charm. It also lost the ‘Polished’ feel that only Microprose ever achieved with their games. I still play both of the first “Master of Orion” games now. I’d love to see a proper remake / update. Not that naff waste of space that was MoO3. But I do think the ‘After’ series are excellent games in themselves and if you must compare them to X-Com, and it’s hard not to, they gained more than they lost. [QUOTE=BooBoo316] Nope, nope, nope. Any X-COM update has to be turn based, anyone who disagrees will be burned at the stake as a heretic. :mad: [/QUOTE] I have a friend who works as an artist for a PC game company and most of the folks from Microprose ended up working in his firm. He says many of them would like to go back and do a proper remake. Sometimes a game comes out and makes the previous game in the series redundant. (Fallout and Fallout2 is an example IMHO) Sometimes the old game has a charm the new one doesn’t. So we keep playing the old one, like UFO and TFtD. But think about it, would you keep the tech tree to the same? And the character development? Coz there’s a lot more weapon options and much more of an RPG element in the ‘After’ series than in X-Com and that’s a good thing. However given that I can complete UFO:Enemy Unknown in a weekend, and Aftershock I’ve been playing for two weeks, I think any real update to X-com is going to have to change the game beyond any recognition anyway. [QUOTE=BooBoo316] **essell** , please link me or give me the title so I can search it myself, you big tease. 😛 [/QUOTE] Okay, after checking the rules and determining that this is safe for work, [Ufo. Extraterrestrials!](http://www.ufo-extraterrestrials.com) I think X-Com apocolypse is the best X-Com game anyway. Please don’t hit me ---
**Author:** ![Brainiac4](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brainiac4/32/3534_2.png) [@Brainiac4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brainiac4)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/24 "2007-04-22T16:00:37Z")
Sam & Max Hit The Road. You can still get it running in SCUMMVM, and the gameplay and voice acting need no updates. It really just needs the graphics redone. Darklands. Medieval Germany was a great setting. Fallout. Although I think Bethesda has this covered (hope hope hope). System Shock. Best FPS ever. ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/25 "2007-04-22T16:01:27Z")
[QUOTE=Montgomery0] I’d also like to see an update of Deus Ex, maybe with the HalfLife2 engine, more evenly balanced bioupgrades, a Thief-like stealth system and better balanced weapons. [/QUOTE] Here, here! I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve played Deus Ex through. Also, I’d love a remake (or continuation) of the **System Shock** series. I guess I’ll have to settle for Bioshock, which damn well better be every bit as cool as it looks. ---
**Author:** ![Barrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/278dde/32.png) [@Barrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barrington)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/26 "2007-04-22T16:30:28Z")
[Carnivores 2](http://www.terragame.com/carnivores_2.html) and [Carnivores: Ice Age](http://uk.pc.ign.com/objects/015/015964.html), definitely. Both are open-ended 3D hunting games, with dinosaurs and ice-age mammals respectively. Some of them are dangerous. By and large, the emphasis was on immersive reality, with large, varied and beautiful landscapes, haunting sounds, lovely critters, and a strange mix of isolated wandering and sudden excitement. You’ve not lived until you’ve been stalked by an allosaur or a smilodon, or simply sat and watched a brachiosaur or mammoth feeding nearby (with a nervous eye around you). For their day, these games were pretty damned spectacular, and it would be wonderful if someone would develop a similar idea using more up-to-date graphics, sound, etc, with larger selections of animals, plants and landscapes. And normally, I have absolutely zero interest in hunting. ---
**Author:** ![BooBoo316](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@BooBoo316](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BooBoo316)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/27 "2007-04-22T16:34:45Z")
[QUOTE=essell] I have a friend who works as an artist for a PC game company and most of the folks from Microprose ended up working in his firm. He says many of them would like to go back and do a proper remake. [/QUOTE] If there is a God, please give them funding. > [@](#): > > But think about it, would you keep the tech tree to the same? And the character development? Coz there’s a lot more weapon options and much more of an RPG element in the ‘After’ series than in X-Com and that’s a good thing. No, add to the tech tree, add weapons, add more aliens, more character development…just leave the core gameplay alone. > [@](#): > > However given that I can complete UFO:Enemy Unknown in a weekend, and Aftershock I’ve been playing for two weeks, I think any real update to X-com is going to have to change the game beyond any recognition anyway. Not really, I think an update could bring the game up to modern standards and still retain the original soul of the game. > [@](#): > > Okay, after checking the rules and determining that this is safe for work, [Ufo. Extraterrestrials!](http://www.ufo-extraterrestrials.com) Thank you, thank you. I’ll probably buy this as soon as it hits the NA market. > [@](#): > > I think X-Com apocolypse is the best X-Com game anyway. Please don’t hit me A witch! Burn it! Seriously, I hated Apocolypse. The limited scope and RTS gameplay turned me off, but to each his own. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/28 "2007-04-22T19:16:43Z")
I never got around to playing TIE fighter, but the old X-wing game that preceded it was hands down the best combat flight sim I ever played, and I never played it until 2003 or so. Crappy graphics redone, that would be about the best thing I can imagine, especially if you added in even more little ways to tweak your ship. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/29 "2007-04-22T19:35:46Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] I never got around to playing TIE fighter, but the old X-wing game that preceded it was hands down the best combat flight sim I ever played, and I never played it until 2003 or so. Crappy graphics redone, that would be about the best thing I can imagine, especially if you added in even more little ways to tweak your ship. [/QUOTE] TIE Fighter was a HUGE improvement on X-Wing. Go get it right away. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/30 "2007-04-22T20:17:05Z")
[QUOTE=Bryan Ekers] More seriously, I’d kinda like to see an updated version of _Archon_ or some comparable type of chess-combat game where “capturing” requires a fight to the death. [/QUOTE] My first thought. But I just want _Archon_ with new graphics and snazzy effects. I don’t want significantly altered gameplay; I just want to play a kick-ass looking version of _Archon_. Ok, maybe a new scaling AI for it since I used to be able to beat the old _Archon_ in five or six moves. ---
**Author:** ![MJinks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/da6949/32.png) [@MJinks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MJinks)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/31 "2007-04-22T20:45:24Z")
I’d like to put in another vote for **XCom**. Now I can’t wait for UFO:Extraterrestrials (thanks for the link!), it looks perfect. **Theme Hospital** was another game that just exuded fun and humour. I used to have so much fun playing that game on my old Win98 PC. Sadly I can’t get it to run properly on WinXP. Of course, I wouldn’t object to new versions of **X-Wing** , **Starcraft** or any of the **Ultima** games… ---
**Author:** ![oft\_wears\_hats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@oft\_wears\_hats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/oft_wears_hats)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/32 "2007-04-22T20:57:55Z")
Oh! This just occurred to me: What about Marathon? Perhaps with the HL2 engine? (Though Bungie would never want to remake it, and if they did, they’d probably use whichever Halo engine they’re on now). Such a great game, and there’s already a handful of TCs that try to recreate it with more modern engines like UT and I believe HL2 (I was talking about a professional official remake, though, and not a mod). ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/33 "2007-04-22T21:37:20Z")
Old school: [Racing Destruction Set](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racing_Destruction_Set), by EA for the C64 platform. Build and customize your own racing track, and compete with friends. Yes, there are similar things out there, but none of them has the charm of the original. I don’t know of any that let you monkey with gravity settings the way RDS did, for example. If anyone is aware of a modern equivalent I don’t know about, please share. (There was some movement on an updated version but it was [abandoned](http://rds.planetflibble.com)). ---
**Author:** ![essell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/34f0e0/32.png) [@essell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essell)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/34 "2007-04-22T21:44:29Z")
[QUOTE=BooBoo316] If there is a God, please give them funding. [/QUOTE] From what I understand, they just got jobs there. The company has nothing to do with Microprose so I don’t think there’s any real possibility. We’ll have to live with the stuff _Altair_ and _CHAOS CONCEPT_ churn out. Which are still fun. [hijack]My brother got a counter strike map the other day which was a spot on replica of a UFO Large Scout landed on farm land. (Which has got to be the most common mission). The layout of the buildings, and the Scout itself, even the Skyranger. It was class to be running around it like a rat in a maze. Bring Back X-Com Alliance!![/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/35 "2007-04-22T21:51:24Z")
The Space Quest series. and another vote for Archon. ---
**Author:** ![St\_Ides](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@St\_Ides](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/St_Ides)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/36 "2007-04-22T22:19:57Z")
[QUOTE=Brainiac4] Sam & Max Hit The Road. You can still get it running in SCUMMVM, and the gameplay and voice acting need no updates. It really just needs the graphics redone. [/QUOTE] Uh… you have seen [this](http://www.telltalegames.com/samandmax/overview), haven’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/37 "2007-04-22T22:36:16Z")
[QUOTE=Subway Prophet] It wasn’t a PC game _per se_, but a modern take on [M.U.L.E.](http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/mule.shtml) would be pretty cool. [/QUOTE] Oh yes. Oh yes. M.U.L.E. was quite a game. I played it on my C128 (in, of course, C64 mode) and it was truly amazing. It had a lot of gameplay even in that limited computer, and with today’s computers and consoles, it would be spectacular. I loved Fallout 1 & 2, and I do hope that Fallout 3 will come along, someday. I’m not holding my breath, though. I never played Wasteland, and now I’m sort of sorry that I didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/38 "2007-04-22T22:43:03Z")
[QUOTE=St\_Ides] Uh… you have seen [this](http://www.telltalegames.com/samandmax/overview), haven’t you? [/QUOTE] Those are new games, however, and this thread was about remakes. I do wish they’d remake the original with the new technology. I think all the Commander Keen games need remakes. ---
**Author:** ![Viridiana](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ebca7d/32.png) [@Viridiana](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Viridiana)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/39 "2007-04-22T22:53:11Z")
Pizza Tycoon! :o And Star Control 2, although it’s pretty great to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2007, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141/40 "2007-04-22T23:09:51Z")
_Knights of the Old Republic II_, as-is but with the original team having enough time and funding to finish the job. It’s great until near the end, when obviously they were rushed for time and had to drop and/or hurriedly and unsatisfyingly tie up plot lines. The way in which you see at the end what happens to most of your companions is especially poorly done and quite a disappointment after all the time spent developing relationships with them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pc-games-should-be-remade/401141.md?page=3)