# What perks do hot women get? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [November 23, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697 "2009-11-23T21:43:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/61 "2009-11-24T21:50:10Z")
> [@rhubarbarin](#): > > I always get hired pretty much instantly when I apply for a job (mostly the people doing the hiring are men). Out of curiosity, what sort of jobs/field? IME hot women have their pick of lower rung hospitality-type jobs (e.g. restaurant hostess) but their looks can work against them in higher positions. A friend of mine was hired at a television production company. She got a lot of glares from younger female coworkers who may or may not have assumed she was hired or had worked her way up the ladder based on he rlooks, lots of come-ons from the men, and was eventually fired, despite proving herself, because the boss’s wife didn’t like her. She is a lesbian, not that anyone asked her. I’m also not sure ‘hotter’ women (according to whom?) have better self-esteem or are more confident in social situations. Perhaps if ‘hot’ is being defined as clear skin, shiny hair and smart, stylish clothing and make-up – in a way it stands to reason that those who put extra effort into making themselves look presentable might also project confidence in their actions and words. But having worked with models, unless you confine their experiences to walking down a catwalk or past the line at a night club, they don’t exactly ooze confidence. Those who didn’t have awkward phases still get rejected a dozen times a day. ---
**Author:** ![filmore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7993a0/32.png) [@filmore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/filmore)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/62 "2009-11-24T22:35:32Z")
I knew a cute woman with a flirty personality who basically cruised through a Computer Science degree by having guys do her homework. She ended up getting a job writing kernel device drivers(!) for a major OS company. She didn’t have the skills for that, so she’d get her guy co-workers to write the code for her. She eventually got promoted to project management. The guys never got anything out of it. I’m not sure if she even realized what she was doing. She didn’t believe they were doing it with the hope of getting some action. She seemed to think they were just nice guys who liked helping people. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/63 "2009-11-24T22:44:01Z")
> [@Gestalt](#): > > Inspired by **Freudian Slit’s** thread about Randy Cohen’s column, in particular by this post by **Voguevixen**. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11810919&postcount=51](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11810919&postcount=51) > > How do people fall all over themselves to please extremely attractive women? I’ve heard this claim many times, but never seen any evidence. Maybe I don’t know good-enough looking people? I’m fairly average myself and I have some friends who are eights or nines, but maybe you have to be in the top .001% to get these perks? Although I feel like at that point, what is considered attractive becomes very subjective . . . we all know that a reasonably good-looking, well-groomed girl is more attractive than a morbidly obese bald woman with missing teeth and open sores, but picking between Meghan Fox and Natalie Portman will present more mixed results. > > Anyways, what are these perks in life that good-looking women get, and how good-looking must you be to to get these perks? Is it like a huge jump when you get into the top 1%, or do the perks more gradually increase as you become attractive? The only thing I’ve ever seen is hot girls being more likely to be hit on in bars, or get into relationship with men who are “catches.” Two types: Beautiful and Sexy Now Beauty is presented by their grace, where sexy is more exuded by a sense of confident randiness that doesn’t imply needy desperation. Those two qualities or better yet a combination of the two lead to being able to manipulate people. But both can be manufactured, the more skillfully you wear your clothes, your make-up, your perfume, the more you can present beauty. The more you present the image that you could fuck somebody’s face-off if you only deemed them worthy of the time of day, the more sexy you are. It all can be cultivated. Charisma is probably the secret ingredient that really makes it. There are people are beautiful as Megan Fox or Natalie Portman, but they charmed the right people to get what they wanted, and there is some skill to that, whether it is their skill individually, or if they have good handlers, is well a question for the insiders. Hollywood is inundated with beautiful women, not all of them get to where either of those two actresses are. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2009, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/64 "2009-11-24T23:29:14Z")
> [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](#): > > I was reminded of this just last week. She came to my office building to drop off some legal docs. She said she was hungry, so I took her to our cafeteria. The cashier, who never said a word to me in the 5 years or so that he’s worked here, was all of a sudden my best friend. He charged us for about half of the items that we had on our tray. I’m surprised I didn’t think of this earlier, but your post reminded me of a guy I used to work with. This guy wasn’t even especially good-looking, but we were both working at a women’s college so there weren’t many men around aside from professors. He was one of only a handful of men under 30 on campus and really the only one who was even moderately cute. It was pretty funny to see not only students but the other women on staff (some more than old enough to be his mother) get excited when the “hot techie” came around. It reminded me of the old “[Diet Coke Break](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdrE1VMxzoE)” commercials, only the guy in question looked more like a young David Spade than the muscular hunk in the ad. Anyway, this guy’s girlfriend also worked on campus and she told me more than once that not only were female staffers always checking her fella out, but that he didn’t even pay for food in the campus cafeteria. “He just goes in and the lunch ladies give him food! He’s getting food all the time! I see him eating and I’m like ‘Where did you get that?’ and he says, ‘Oh, the lunch lady gave it to me.’” ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_s\_Son](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19adc/32.png) [@Jim\_s\_Son](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_s_Son)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/65 "2009-11-25T05:12:00Z")
One very attractive woman I used to work for once told me that she was always able to get out of speeding tickets by playing the “innocent little old me” act. The only time she didn’t was when she had a female friend next to her who told her not to do it and accept the ticket. She also told me she once went to a supplier with a 50ish male financial department head. While they were waiting for their counterparts to show up, the man noticed workers were lifting their heads to glance at them. At first he couldn’t figure it out and then he realized they were checking her out. When he mentioned it, she laughed and said it happens everyday, men would always check out a pretty woman. ---
**Author:** ![Rex\_Goliath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bcef8e/32.png) [@Rex\_Goliath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rex_Goliath)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/66 "2009-11-25T06:43:20Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > All chicks have a bunch of guys wanting to bone them. Not a perk. Come on, now. I want to hear some crazy stories about super hot women apparently being able to walk into Nordstrom and come home with free shit. I dated a girl who was easily a 9.5 (she was a ten before she had her baby, no question, the most beautiful girl I’ve ever met. Also the craziest.) Anyway, being beautiful got her: [ul] [li]free legal counsel in her child custody hearings[/li][li]untold numbers of gifts from people she explicitly told “i do not like you.”[/li][li]sailing vacations in the carribean[/li][li]lots of modeling money[/li][li]free clothes from said modeling gigs[/li][li]raped three times[/li][/ul] One of these things is not like the other ones… ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/67 "2009-11-25T16:12:57Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > …your post reminded me of a guy I used to work with. > > This guy wasn’t even especially good-looking… Thanks ALOT! :mad: 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/68 "2009-11-25T16:58:59Z")
> [@](#): > > In her world, people, and in particular, men, are just friendly and helpful and cheerful I think this is the main benefit, and most are not even aware of it. My ex used to get tickets non stop which always surprised me because she was a gorgeous blonde AND a correctional officer, but she was kinda of “feisty” and had a bad attitude. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/69 "2009-11-25T17:16:48Z")
Not even close to the most beautiful girl you’ll ever see. Let’s see how being average stacks up: [quote=“Rex\_Goliath, post:66, topic:518697”] [ul] [li]free legal counsel in her child custody hearings[/ul][/li][/quote] N/A. Wouldn’t know. I wouldn’t expect to receive free legal counsel if I ever needed it, so I’ll count this as a score for hot people. I did have an attorney friend weasel me out of some minor non-trial shit once, though. Hardly the same as free legal counsel in a custody hearing. > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]untold numbers of gifts from people she explicitly told “i do not like you.”[/li][/ul] I’ve had gifts attempted on me from people who I have explicitly told I don’t like. > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]sailing vacations in the carribean[/li][/ul] Wow. Never this, unless trips I’ve gone on with boyfriends count. > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]lots of modeling money[/li][/ul] I never got this. ☹ > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]free clothes from said modeling gigs[/li][/ul] Or this. ☹ > [@](#): > > [ul][li]raped three times[/li][/ul] Holy shit! :eek: Never this! And I’m sorry this happened to your ex. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/70 "2009-11-25T18:30:15Z")
Shut up. You’re hot. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/71 "2009-11-25T18:33:28Z")
I am? So uhh, you wanna buy me a boat or something? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/72 "2009-11-25T18:57:59Z")
I don’t think it’s hot women alone who get these benefits. I think attractive people generally receive a lot of benefits that unattractive people do not. Here you go, [it’s a cite.](http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/Careers/07/08/looks/) > [@](#): > > The ugly truth, according to economics professors Daniel Hamermesh of the University of Texas and Jeff Biddle of Michigan State University, is that plain people earn 5 percent to 10 percent less than people of average looks, who in turn earn 3 percent to 8 percent less than those deemed good-looking. > > These findings concur with other research that shows the penalty for being homely exceeds the premium for beauty and that across all occupations, the effects are greater for men than women. This actually indicates the disparity is greater for men. I am not a hot woman, I am a mostly-average looking woman who can look ‘‘pretty’’ with make-up. In my general observation of other women, being attractive is not a prerequisite to special treatment and attention, being _flirty_ is. Guys like flirts and will fall all over themselves to perpetuate the flirting relationship, even if the woman rates about a 5 on the attractiveness scale. However, the higher a woman is on that scale to begin with, the more likely men are to take even subtle cues as flirtation. I never flirted much, because it seemed kind of pointless to try to get attention from someone I wasn’t interested in. Also count me among those women who have never had a sales clerk ignore me or talk down to me. I was actually really paranoid that this would happen, based on anecdotes here, when I went to purchase a new car. I brought my husband with me to the dealership. Even the slimy Cadillac salesman didn’t patronize me. He tried to convince me to finance a used car when I intended to pay, in cash, in full, but I’m pretty sure he would have tried that on anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Zjestika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/8edcca/32.png) [@Zjestika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zjestika)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/73 "2009-11-25T19:12:44Z")
I had to call a tow truck Monday. When he got there I asked what it would cost after AAA covered the first 5 miles. He gruffly said that it would be $4 a mile and he took cash or credit. No freebies for me because I’m hot (I’m not). But we rode together and chatted, and by the time we reached the repair shop he’d offered to give me a ride to my house (I’d mentioned that I’d have to walk 10 blocks). Because he was not creepy I took him up on it. The when I pulled out my wallet to pay for the extra mileage (6 miles) he said to to worry about it. I gave him a $10 tip. So one point for personality, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/74 "2009-11-25T20:02:50Z")
> [@Rex\_Goliath](#): > > I dated a girl who was easily a 9.5 (she was a ten before she had her baby, no question, the most beautiful girl I’ve ever met. Also the craziest.) Anyway, being beautiful got her: > > [ul] > [li]free legal counsel in her child custody hearings[/li][li]untold numbers of gifts from people she explicitly told “i do not like you.”[/li][li]sailing vacations in the carribean[/li][li]lots of modeling money[/li][li]free clothes from said modeling gigs[/li][li]raped three times[/li][/ul] > > One of these things is not like the other ones… You mean the rape? Because being beautiful, even super duper beautiful, does not get anyone raped. Perhaps there is correlation between extra unwanted attention and being good looking (according to whom?), but I really, seriously doubt there is any connection between looks and rape. And most models get free clothes from gigs. Usually instead of money! ---
**Author:** ![rhubarbarin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eb9ed0/32.png) [@rhubarbarin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rhubarbarin)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/75 "2009-11-25T20:30:04Z")
> [@](#): > > Out of curiosity, what sort of jobs/field? IME hot women have their pick of lower rung hospitality-type jobs (e.g. restaurant hostess) but their looks can work against them in higher positions. Oh, good point. All jobs in question are very much ‘lower-rung’. > [@MeanOldLady](#): > > All chicks have a bunch of guys wanting to bone them. Not a perk. Come on, now. I want to hear some crazy stories about super hot women apparently being able to walk into Nordstrom and come home with free shit. Even super-hot, world famous movie stars can’t walk into Nordstrom and get free shit.. see Winona Ryder. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/76 "2009-11-25T21:06:58Z")
I think I scared the OP away. Sorry 'bout that. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/77 "2009-11-26T00:47:23Z")
> [@rhubarbarin](#): > > Oh, good point. All jobs in question are very much ‘lower-rung’. > > Even super-hot, world famous movie stars can’t walk into Nordstrom and get free shit.. see Winona Ryder. au contraire, mon ami. She did get the stuff for free. See the DA.:D:D ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/78 "2009-11-26T01:14:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Me. I was just about to chime in with that. ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/79 "2009-11-26T01:42:47Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I think I scared the OP away. > > Sorry 'bout that. Not at all, my good man! I’ve been observing from a distance. I think the point about personality/flirtatiousness is super true, in that these qualities are equally as important as looks in terms of life being easier. Also, what I meant by “perks” is not so much people being nice to you as . . . cruises and boats and whatnot. What constitutes the level of hotness required for such things? And doesn’t it vary wildly from person to person? Some people might put Hillary Duff at a ten, and others might put Jennifer Lopez on that pedestal. So is it model good-looking that is required to get free cruises? Or was the girl in question in relationships with these men who gave her things? That changes the dynamics quite a bit . . . guys I’ve dated have gotten me quite nice things or taken me to fancy (relatively speaking) restaurants, and I’m not hot. I just find all this fascinating . . . ---
**Author:** ![Gestalt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@Gestalt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gestalt)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697/80 "2009-11-26T01:46:45Z")
Oh, and also, along those lines, this might be a bit of a hijack . . . but I find that women who complain of too much male attention (such as gifts, phone calls, etc) are often sending subtle clues, purposefully or not, that might be interpreted as continuing interest, even such things as being nice. I rarely get harassed by ex-bfs and admirers and such as much as my friends do, and I think it’s because I’m pretty good at giving the death stare and telling men to stop. calling. me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-perks-do-hot-women-get/518697.md?page=5)