# What pisses me off, 5 years later **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 13, 2006, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597 "2006-09-13T20:52:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/61 "2006-09-15T13:27:17Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] Sorry, that’s all I’ve got. [/QUOTE] I’ve got better. I know that Michael Moore’s credibility suffers a bit around here, but he’s never been seriously accused of faking news footage. That Bush quote appears verbatim in F9/11. The proof is at your local video store. If you need a chapter number, I can get you one tonight. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/62 "2006-09-15T16:20:18Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] I’ve got better. [/quote] No you don’t. You still only have your _memory_, which can be no more relied upon than **Giraffe’s** or anyone else’s. > [@](#): > > I know that Michael Moore’s credibility suffers a bit around here, but he’s never been seriously accused of faking news footage. That Bush quote appears verbatim in F9/11. I _highly_ doubt that. > [@](#): > > The proof is at your local video store. If you need a chapter number, I can get you one tonight. Yes, by all means. Please provide specific evidence other than “my word is my cite.” Why the hell are people so vehement about defending this lie, _when the truth is bad enough as it stands_?!?! _Jesus!_ ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/63 "2006-09-15T16:41:26Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] No you don’t. You still only have your _memory_, which can be no more relied upon than **Giraffe’s** or anyone else’s. [/QUOTE] Actually, I have a DVD. I own the DVD. I’ve seen it many times. I’ll watch it again tonight to provide the specific chapter where it is. And if you have a Netflix account, you can see it too. I’ve told you where the proof is. I’ve told you how you can check it out for yourself. Please look at the evidence I have provided without dismissing me out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/64 "2006-09-15T16:46:19Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] Please look at the evidence I have provided without dismissing me out of hand. [/QUOTE] And what evidence is that? “I’m firmly of the belief I saw it in this movie” is not evidence. It’s opinion. Go watch it again, and come back and tell us when in the movie you saw it. Even better, let us know the when and where of Bush saying it. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/65 "2006-09-15T16:59:39Z")
Mea culpa. I did remember it wrong. From [this](http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/f/fahrenheit-911-script-transcript.html) transcript, about 40% of the way down: “Terror is bigger than one person. And he’s a person who’s now been marginalized. So I don’t know where he is. I just don’t spend that much time on him, to be honest with you.” (I reformatted the text, because that transcript was like some strange haiku.) Different words, exact same sentiment. No time or place was given. It looked like a press conference, but I might be remembering that wrong as well. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/66 "2006-09-15T17:10:03Z")
[QUOTE=John Corrado] And what evidence is that? “I’m firmly of the belief I saw it in this movie” is not evidence. It’s opinion. [/QUOTE] I stand corrected on my misquote. But as to that comment – are you joking? What sort of evidence would you accept? Would a video of the event suffice? Gee, too bad we don’t have one. When oh when will God invent video stores? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/67 "2006-09-15T17:42:33Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] I stand corrected on my misquote. But as to that comment – are you joking? What sort of evidence would you accept? Would a video of the event suffice? Gee, too bad we don’t have one. When oh when will God invent video stores? [/QUOTE] I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, just after scene.” I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, Chapter , [y] minutes in.” I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, taking an excerpt from Bush’s press conference of [x date].” ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/68 "2006-09-15T17:58:47Z")
I’ll get you the first two, in addition to my own transcript. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/69 "2006-09-15T18:00:07Z")
[QUOTE=tdn] I’ll get you the first two, in addition to my own transcript. [/QUOTE] No need - I’ll accept your previous cite for the modified quotation. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/70 "2006-09-15T18:11:03Z")
[QUOTE=John Corrado] No need - I’ll accept your previous cite for the modified quotation. [/QUOTE] I’m going to do it anyway, provided I have time. What I posted doesn’t quite gybe with what others have been citing. I’m now curious as to the _exact_ wording of the quote. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/71 "2006-09-15T18:16:06Z")
FWIW, on Google Groups, that “I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority” first appears in a posting on [April 10, 2002.](http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.pol-incorrect/browse_thread/thread/7e84656bf8b318d0/c156e55c3e6a8ae2?lnk=st&q=%22It%27s+not+our+priority%22&rnum=10&hl=en#c156e55c3e6a8ae2) While it doesn’t give any attribution, the supposed quote existed in someone’s mind that early. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/72 "2006-09-15T21:14:52Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] You know that’s a made-up “quote”, right? That’s not what Bush said in that press conference, although he did say something along those lines as part of a much longer answer to a question. I’ll never understand why folks around here have to make shit up in order to criticize Bush-- doesn’t he give us enough real material to work with??. [/QUOTE] Actually, no, I didn’t. But now I see that it was taken aout of context from one of his press conferences, thus I herebye retract it. Unlike BushCo., I need not spin the facts to be correct. Happy? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2006, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/73 "2006-09-15T21:20:05Z")
BTW, John, since I’ve answered your request, I’m sure you won’t mind doing likewise and responding to this comment of mine [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7778992&postcount=68) ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/74 "2006-09-16T00:55:56Z")
[QUOTE=John Corrado] I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, just after scene.” I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, Chapter , [y] minutes in.” I’d accept “It’s in _Farenheit 9/11_, taking an excerpt from Bush’s press conference of [x date].” [/QUOTE] Got it. Chapter 11, 0:48:19 into the movie. Not that anyone cares anymore, but I thought I’d follow up. And yes, it was that same “Terror is bigger than one person” quote. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/75 "2006-09-16T01:09:11Z")
According to a post at Free Republic, he said it. Don’t know how accurate this is. [/quote] Williams, in an attempt to "bring it into it’s proper context, simply played the video tape of the Bush pc that contained the following text… I don’t know where he is. I – I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. That was it…no more. [/quote] It’s about halfway down [http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244536/posts](http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244536/posts) ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/76 "2006-09-16T01:31:24Z")
[QUOTE=Giraffe] Well, I was suprisingly prescient about my own unreliability. The [9/11/2006 Daily Show](http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=75294) does _not_ feature the quote provided by **RedFury** , much to my surprise. Instead, it is a January 22, 2002 quote of him saying he is not worried about bin Laden (followed by the 2004 debate with Kerry where he says he never said he wasn’t worried about bin Laden). When reading the quote, I thought it matched my memory exactly, which is why eyewitness evidence sucks, I suppose. And, in my subsequent Google searches, I am now under the strong suspicion that **John Mace** is right, and the second quote was never said. Both quotes are often listed together and attributed with the same date, but no source is ever given for the second one. Had it been an interview as I thought, it would have been attributed _somewhere_. My guess is that it’s just a paraphrase of the press conference that got picked up as a quote and repeated. Until someone comes up with a cite, I retract my disagreement with his original statement that started this whole thing. Apologies, **John**. [/QUOTE] Just going from what I read at the New Republic messageboard, which is pro-Bush to say the least, no one there is disputing that he said it. From what I’m reading there, and I have no idea if it’s true, he didn’t say that in the speech but in a remark to a follow up question by Brian Williams. One of the posters called it ‘a slip of the tongue’. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/77 "2006-09-16T03:11:06Z")
So, can we all agree that the original quote, offered by **RedFury** , which was > [@](#): > > I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority NEVER EXISTED. Or at least no print/video evidence exists. I’ve searched transcripts offered in the Washington Post and other papers the day after the March 13, 2002 press conference, and there is no such quote. ---
**Author:** ![Caridwen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c89c15/32.png) [@Caridwen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caridwen)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/78 "2006-09-16T03:19:53Z")
I don’t know about that. He didn’t say it in the speech. People seem to be discussing what he actually said a couple days later. One person there posted that he did say that and another person said he said “I don’t know where he is. I – I’ll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.” I found a link for the clip, but it’s not working. If somone could find a transcript of clip of the interview with Williams, that’s apparently where he made the remark that’s been quoted/misquoted, I don’t know which. ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/79 "2006-09-16T03:57:51Z")
Google throws a lot of hits back for > [@](#): > > I don’t know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don’t care. It’s not that important. It’s not our priority." - GW Bush, 3/13/02 but **none** have any actual verification of it. **John Mace** was correct from what I can see. It’s a bad quote. Without verification. This message board covers a lot of ground from bullshit cat threads to some of the most intelligent argument I’ve ever read but at it’s heart it should be about facts and truth. A lot of why I don’t like most politicians is because of the intentional lying they **all** do. We should know better. As I’ve said, I’d like nothing more than to be able to see those word put in the bastards mouth. He doesn’t seem to have said those actual words however. Let’s just move on and deal with what the fuck actually said. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2006, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597/80 "2006-09-16T17:35:46Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] Actually, no, I didn’t. But now I see that it was taken aout of context from one of his press conferences, thus I herebye retract it. Unlike BushCo., I need not spin the facts to be correct. Happy? [/QUOTE] It wasn’t taken out of context, it was made up. But yes, I’m happy. see: 🙂 > [@](#): > > BTW, John, since I’ve answered your request, I’m sure you won’t mind doing likewise and responding to this comment of mine here Done. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-pisses-me-off-5-years-later/372597.md?page=5)