# What Places In the World Are the Safest For Jews? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 19, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401 "2015-03-19T17:35:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Uniqueorn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/uniqueorn/32/2807_2.png) [@Uniqueorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uniqueorn)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/21 "2015-03-20T00:31:16Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > It is impression that anti-semitism is widespread among the intellectual classes in Europe. They are trying to enforce a boycott of relations with Israelis whom they claim practice apartheid. They include few Moslems. Maybe it’s just that many Europeans are able to distinguish between a religion and a state? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/22 "2015-03-20T00:35:37Z")
> [@Hari\_Seldon](#): > > It is impression that anti-semitism is widespread among the intellectual classes in Europe. They are trying to enforce a boycott of relations with Israelis whom they claim practice apartheid. They include few Moslems. I’d call them bleeding heart liberals. I often can’t decide if they’re so fired up and lollapalooza about it because Israel is a democracy and they hold it to higher standards, or if they hold it to higher standards because, you know. Pick on the ones it’s ever-trendy to pick on. > [@Rodgers01](#): > > But who knows if this is even true? [Dictionary.com](http://Dictionary.com) says a pogrom is “an organized massacre, especially of Jews.” Frankly I have an easier time imagining that happening somewhere in Israel sooner than it happens in the US or one of the other countries mentioned. I think a massacre of Jews in Israel could happen, but it would probably be via war and invasion. While Israel stands, a pogrom isn’t going to spontaneously break out inside Israel, the way it could in Europe, for instance. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Crap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.crap/32/3131_2.png) [@Dr.Crap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Crap)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/23 "2015-03-20T00:52:16Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Maybe it’s just that many Europeans are able to distinguish between a religion and a state? Maybe Europeans view Jews as disposable aliens? ---
**Author:** ![mascaroni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/dc4da7/32.png) [@mascaroni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mascaroni)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/24 "2015-03-20T01:34:08Z")
> [@Dr.Crap](#): > > Maybe Europeans view Jews as disposable aliens? Maybe Jews view Europeans as disposable aliens? ---
**Author:** ![Desert\_Nomad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desert_nomad/32/177_2.png) [@Desert\_Nomad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desert_Nomad)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/25 "2015-03-20T01:53:08Z")
McMurdo Station, Antarctica ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/26 "2015-03-20T02:38:38Z")
Some interesting stats on [Canada](http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14028-eng.htm#a1) and the [U.S](http://www.christianpost.com/news/fbi-hate-crime-statistics-reveal-jewish-people-most-targeted-religious-group-in-2012-109607/). In Canada 7.2% of the Canadian population reported that they were Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist and 1% is Jewish. 30% of all hate crimes were motivated by religious identity and of those 58% were targeted on Jews. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 1.1/1000. (Jewish population about 380K.) In the U.S. both Muslims and Jews number about 2%, another 0.5% are Hindu. 19% of all hate crimes are considered to be motivated by religious identity, 56.7% with Jewish targets and 12.8% anti-Islamic. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 0.11/1000 (Jewish population of about 6 million). In comparison [in 2014 four people](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/osloterr.html) were killed by terror attacks in Israel, an absolute risk of 6.7/10,000,000. Based on current numbers someone who is Jewish is much safer from being targeted on the basis of religious identity in Israel than in America and much safer in America than in Canada. How much do you worry about Iran getting and using a bomb, or some other actor getting access to it? A risk that is not able to really be rationally assessed. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/27 "2015-03-20T04:12:45Z")
I believe that most American Jews are viewed as fully assimilated Americans and that they are safer from targeted violence or even general prejudice than almost anywhere else. What is the worst thing you are going to hear routinely about American Jews? They control the banks and Hollywood? That is more of an achievement in the typical American mind than a criticism and most people view it as such no matter how much truth there is to it. I truly don’t understand European prejudice against Jews both historically and today. It isn’t true that it is just Muslim immigrants that are perpetuating it. I have heard the most blatant anti-semitic diatribes I have ever been exposed to from multiple educated and successful people from the UK, France and even Italy. It is a common theme and I don’t understand the motivation. The vast majority of the Jews in the world already live in Israel and the U.S. as a close second so the hatred is directed at the very small minority that is spread around various countries in the rest of the world. I can’t see why the small numbers that haven’t already fled to places like the U.S. where they are actually wanted still cause so much hate. It isn’t like they are hoodlums and welfare cases. The U.S. loves Jews from both the left and the right so that have it made here. Ironically, it is the left that has the most problems with Israel in particular because of the persistent Palestine issue but the religious right will not allow anyone to screw with Israel or the Jews in general. They control the Holy Land and have to be respected for that. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/28 "2015-03-20T04:26:27Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Some interesting stats on [Canada](http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14028-eng.htm#a1) and the [U.S](http://www.christianpost.com/news/fbi-hate-crime-statistics-reveal-jewish-people-most-targeted-religious-group-in-2012-109607/). > > In Canada 7.2% of the Canadian population reported that they were Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist and 1% is Jewish. 30% of all hate crimes were motivated by religious identity and of those 58% were targeted on Jews. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 1.1/1000. (Jewish population about 380K.) > > In the U.S. both Muslims and Jews number about 2%, another 0.5% are Hindu. 19% of all hate crimes are considered to be motivated by religious identity, 56.7% with Jewish targets and 12.8% anti-Islamic. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 0.11/1000 (Jewish population of about 6 million). > > In comparison [in 2014 four people](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/osloterr.html) were killed by terror attacks in Israel, an absolute risk of 6.7/10,000,000. Based on current numbers someone who is Jewish is much safer from being targeted on the basis of religious identity in Israel than in America and much safer in America than in Canada. How much do you worry about Iran getting and using a bomb, or some other actor getting access to it? A risk that is not able to really be rationally assessed. Hate crimes =/= being killed in terrorist attack. These are apples and oranges. ---
**Author:** ![JustinC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justinc/32/8083_2.png) [@JustinC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustinC)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/29 "2015-03-20T07:33:49Z")
Liechtenstein has a murder rate of 0, so is ‘safest’ for all groups. Anti-Semitism in NZ seems to be very low, as when I was touring I met many young (just finished National Service, from memory) Israeli Jews on their holidays. That’s only what I saw so I can’t comment on its validity in general. According to the Anti-Defamation League America has an anti-Semitic index rating of 9 percent, in the UK it’s 8, Netherlands 5, Sweden 4, but in Laos only 0.2% of respondents held anti-Semitic views. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lurker\_Above](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Lurker\_Above](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lurker_Above)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/30 "2015-03-20T07:42:11Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > 30% of all hate crimes were motivated by religious identity and of those 58% were targeted on Jews. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 1.1/1000. (Jewish population about 380K.) Using your method, and the data from the report you linked I’m getting about 0.64/1000. (419 religiously motivated hate crimes \* 58% Jewish targets / 380k Jewish population \* 1000). Plus that Stats Canada report claims (in chart 8) to be from police services covering 99% of the Canadian population and the FBI report is based on voluntary reports from police forces covering ~77% of the population (see table 12). I don’t think you can draw the conclusion that Canadian Jews are at 10 times the risk of their American cousins. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/31 "2015-03-20T08:03:03Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I thought the basic idea is that even the US is no forever guarantee pogroms won’t someday breakout. I think there’s a saying about keeping a bag packed. Israel at least, isn’t going to suffer anti-semitic pogroms. They might get nuked and invaded, but the nation of Israel isn’t going to devolve into pogroms. Hahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha… … There once was a fellow named Titus… ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/32 "2015-03-20T10:54:55Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Some interesting stats on [Canada](http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14028-eng.htm#a1) and the [U.S](http://www.christianpost.com/news/fbi-hate-crime-statistics-reveal-jewish-people-most-targeted-religious-group-in-2012-109607/). > > In Canada 7.2% of the Canadian population reported that they were Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Buddhist and 1% is Jewish. 30% of all hate crimes were motivated by religious identity and of those 58% were targeted on Jews. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 1.1/1000. (Jewish population about 380K.) > > In the U.S. both Muslims and Jews number about 2%, another 0.5% are Hindu. 19% of all hate crimes are considered to be motivated by religious identity, 56.7% with Jewish targets and 12.8% anti-Islamic. Absolute risk of a Jew being a hate crime target of about 0.11/1000 (Jewish population of about 6 million). > > In comparison [in 2014 four people](http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/osloterr.html) were killed by terror attacks in Israel, an absolute risk of 6.7/10,000,000. Based on current numbers someone who is Jewish is much safer from being targeted on the basis of religious identity in Israel than in America and much safer in America than in Canada. How much do you worry about Iran getting and using a bomb, or some other actor getting access to it? A risk that is not able to really be rationally assessed. Here’s a link to [the raw stats data for total reported hate crimes in Canada](http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14028/t/tbl07-eng.htm). As for which is safer Israel or Canada…I’m Canadian (biased), but it’s not even a question. Canada is BY FAR more safer and stable than any middle east country. Israel is much safer than Syria/Iraq (total war zones of horrible ethnic violence), but Canada is Canada. Also, I really don’t associate Israel with a place that is full of ethnic harmony (the stats could prove me wrong but…I doubt it). ---
**Author:** ![robert\_columbia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@robert\_columbia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robert_columbia)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/33 "2015-03-20T14:13:06Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It depends. A Hasidic Jew will stand out anywhere they go. Just like a Nun in a habit or a woman in a burka. I guess NY is the biggest city with Hasidic Jewish populations. I’d like to say they are safe anyplace in the US, but they would draw a few stares in my city. > > Otherwise it seems that any American city is safe for Jewish people. I see men with yamakas at the mall and never give it a second thought. It does, I think, depend on the city. If you get closer to Philly, you will start seeing fewer Hasidic people and more Amish people. Good points. I would venture a guess that most areas of the US, except for some of the small KKK compounds in the Midwest, are going to be at least non-hostile to Jewish people, if not friendly. Much of the South and Appalachia remains strongly Evangelical Christian in outlook, and one thing that frequently leads to is compassion for Israel and the Jewish people who are seen as God’s children too. Perhaps a little wayward, but still family. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/34 "2015-03-20T14:33:17Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Hate crimes =/= being killed in terrorist attack. These are apples and oranges. A very valid point. And I certainly do not dispute that there are hate crimes in Israel … but the hate crimes there are usually Jew against Jew or Jew on Arab: hate crimes there are often Jewish hard liners and ultra-Orthodox attacking other Jews and Arabs. Still the reality is that Israelis deal with fear based on existential threats (an atomic attack) and based on threats of major terror attacks (which are not able to have real numbers attached), but actual risk in Israel proper based on past numbers is not so high and in fact based on those numbers living in Israel is safer than living in many American small cities. New York though has become pretty safe. **The Lurker Above** and **orcenio** , the simple fact is that even if they are somewhat relatively under-reported in the U.S. religiously based hate crimes are much more common per unit population in Canada than in the U.S., are increasing over time in Canada while decreasing over time in the U.S., and in both countries are disproportionately targeting Jews (56 to 58% of all religiously motivated hate crimes in both countries even though Jews are less numerous than many other minority faiths, especially in Canada). [Canada is Canada](http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/18/jews-most-victimized-group-in-toronto-cop-report) but stereotypes can belie realities. > [@](#): > > The most victimized group in Toronto last year was the Jewish community, followed by the LGBTQ community and the black community, according to the 2014 Toronto Police annual hate crime report. … I am not saying that the absolute risk of being a hate crime target is huge. Just that there is more of an issue in Canada than many here seem to assume would be the case. Not sure why although I have speculations. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/35 "2015-03-20T14:51:55Z")
> [@robert\_columbia](#): > > If you get closer to Philly, you will start seeing fewer Hasidic people and more Amish people. From a distance, how do you tell them apart? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/36 "2015-03-20T14:56:05Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > From a distance, how do you tell them apart? I think Amish men shave their upper lips. And I think Hasids typically wear darker clothes. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/37 "2015-03-20T15:13:03Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > A very valid point. And I certainly do not dispute that there are hate crimes in Israel … but the hate crimes there are usually Jew against Jew or Jew on Arab: hate crimes there are often Jewish hard liners and ultra-Orthodox attacking other Jews and Arabs. > > Still the reality is that Israelis deal with fear based on existential threats (an atomic attack) and based on threats of major terror attacks (which are not able to have real numbers attached), but actual risk in Israel proper based on past numbers is not so high and in fact based on those numbers living in Israel is safer than living in many American small cities. New York though has become pretty safe. > > **The Lurker Above** and **orcenio** , the simple fact is that even if they are somewhat relatively under-reported in the U.S. religiously based hate crimes are much more common per unit population in Canada than in the U.S., are increasing over time in Canada while decreasing over time in the U.S., and in both countries are disproportionately targeting Jews (56 to 58% of all religiously motivated hate crimes in both countries even though Jews are less numerous than many other minority faiths, especially in Canada). > > [Canada is Canada](http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/18/jews-most-victimized-group-in-toronto-cop-report) but stereotypes can belie realities. > > I am not saying that the absolute risk of being a hate crime target is huge. Just that there is more of an issue in Canada than many here seem to assume would be the case. > > Not sure why although I have speculations. I just want to point out from that linked story that, in Toronto, a city with a population of 2.8 million, the number of reported hate crimes against Jews was 44 in 2014. Although one hate crime is too many, a mere 44 in such a large city (and I’m not even sure if that includes the entire Greater Toronto Area - GTA - with a population of over 6 million) is somewhat trivial. It’s not like were up here painting swastikas on Jewish business fronts or anything. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/38 "2015-03-20T15:19:48Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > **The Lurker Above** and **orcenio** , the simple fact is that even if they are somewhat relatively under-reported in the U.S. religiously based hate crimes are much more common per unit population in Canada than in the U.S., are increasing over time in Canada while decreasing over time in the U.S., and in both countries are disproportionately targeting Jews (56 to 58% of all religiously motivated hate crimes in both countries even though Jews are less numerous than many other minority faiths, especially in Canada). > > [Canada is Canada](http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/18/jews-most-victimized-group-in-toronto-cop-report) but stereotypes can belie realities. > > I am not saying that the absolute risk of being a hate crime target is huge. Just that there is more of an issue in Canada than many here seem to assume would be the case. > > Not sure why although I have speculations. For sure, stereotypes do undercut reality, and Canada can easily be compared lacking to the US in antisemitism, but your example was to build an ethnic/religious hierarchy on Jewish safety that placed Israel on top. At this moment of history…that’s laughable. Israel is a country that is currently going through a period of ethno-religious strife that ebbs and flows between minor property damage to arson to bloody, bloody violence. Such strife simply doesn’t exist in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/39 "2015-03-20T16:10:43Z")
**orcenio** do you also believe that flying in a jet is much more dangerous than driving because you hear about jet crashes more? Again, Israel is in fact over the past decade statistically a very safe place, no joke. The [homicide rate](http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5) is 2/100K, same as in Canada and 40% that of the United States. Street crime is rare. Attacks against Jews within Israel on the basis of their religion are in fact rare. In most of the world, including the United States, hate crime is disproportionately targeted upon Jews. In Israel, where Jews are the majority, hate crimes are a major problem, but the targets are not usually Jews for being Jews (unless you count the ultra-Orthodox spitting on secular women, and even [an eight year old girl](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/world/middleeast/israeli-girl-at-center-of-tension-over-religious-extremism.html?_r=0), for perceived offenses to their sensibilities). It’s extremists of the far Right targeting Israeli Arabs and other Israelis who work for Arab Israeli rights. Just as awful but not relevant to the question of the op. **Leaffan** that is why I specified that the it is not like the absolute risk is huge. It is not. But the n is not the size of the city but risk per member of the minority, which aint the 2.8 million. When you are a small community (and likely it is really the smallish number of visible, outwardly religious, Jews who are the actual targets, not the greater number of fairly invisible secular Jews) 44 hate crimes targeted against you, many more than targeted against any other religious group, is not trivial. And yes it does include spray painting [swastikas](http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-investigating-hate-crime-at-toronto-home-1.1326485). Kristallnacht it is not; a growing concern it is. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2015, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401/40 "2015-03-20T16:59:26Z")
> [@Uniqueorn](#): > > Maybe it’s just that many Europeans are able to distinguish between a religion and a state? Or maybe the reports are the ones confusing that. I know quite a few people who aren’t fond of the most newsworthy Israeli policies but have nothing against either Jews or Israeli individual citizens (other than those actually taking part in the specific policies). You know, sort of like the way many people feel about “the US” vs “Joe American”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-places-in-the-world-are-the-safest-for-jews/715401.md?page=3)