# What really hit the Pentagon on 9/11/01?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 1, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729 "2013-09-01T14:56:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@aNewLeaf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aNewLeaf)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/61 "2013-09-01T21:54:35Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> The five frames did not definitively show 757 but more like a missile because one frame has white smoke trail. The pilotsfor911 website explained that aircraft on the ground does not produce white vapor,
That’s a chemtrail. The plane had a scheduled chemtrail route that day.
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### Author:  [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/62 "2013-09-01T22:06:57Z")
> [@Musicat](#):
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> All of the crashed planes in 9/11 made exactly the outlines that engineers and physicists expected them to make. It’s only ignorance (or perversity) that says otherwise.
There are WTC girders with semi-circular bites taken out of them by the engines, which were essentially huge bullets traveling at 600MPH. It should take little mental effort to scale that up to what a 100,000-pound “bullet” will do to a building, no matter how it’s built.
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### Author:  [@rsat3acr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rsat3acr)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/63 "2013-09-01T22:16:52Z")
> [@Musicat](#):
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> Which reminds me…don’t take the brown acid, man, it’s a bummer…
I thought it was don’t eat yellow snow.
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### Author:  [@Patch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patch)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/64 "2013-09-01T22:21:30Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> In the trade centers 1 and 2, the planes clearly left imprints. The wings on each plane were clearly visible on all the videos and pictures on the web. In the pentagon, I can’t spot the imprints on any videos or pictures. The youtube below is a CNN reporter at the time of the incident said the roof collapsed only after 45mins after the supposed impact.
Then you’re not looking. The plane’s imprint on the building is visible in photos of the building exterior.
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/65 "2013-09-01T22:31:43Z")
**Openminder** , and OP:
To help determine whether it’s worth wasting any further time on this thread, please answer the following three simple questions:
1. What happened to N644AA, the Boeing 757-223 assigned to American Airlines flight 77 on September 11, 2001?
2. Where are Pilot Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois, the cabin attendants and the 58 passengers manifested on AA flight 77 for that day?
3. Why would the following persons:
Thomas A Kean
Lee H. Hamilton
Richard Ben-Veniste
Bob Kerrey
Fred Fielding
John F. Lehmn
Jamie S. Gorelick
Timothy J. Roemer…
plus some 100 staff, agree to sign their names to a report stating that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon, if this was not in fact the case?
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### Author:  [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/66 "2013-09-01T22:34:01Z")
I’ve always wondered–if the alleged missile or plane was used to simulate the airliner, then _why not merely **say** that it was an Al Qida missile or plane?_
**Why drag airliners into it at all?**
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### Author:  [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/67 "2013-09-01T22:38:13Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> What caused that was 2 sculptors, Dan Havel and Dean Ruck. [Cite](http://www.strangebuildings.thegrumpyoldlimey.com/2011/07/hole-house-houston-tx-usa.html).
Did these sculptors work for Mossad?
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/68 "2013-09-01T22:58:07Z")
> [@msmith537](#):
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> Did these sculptors work for Mossad?
No, money.
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### Author:  [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/69 "2013-09-01T23:07:28Z")
> [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](#):
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> I’ve always wondered–if the alleged missile or plane was used to simulate the airliner, then _why not merely **say** that it was an Al Qida missile or plane?_
Oooo, I have a great ad slogan - ‘Fly Air Al Qaeda - the only airline to offer halfway tickets’
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### Author:  [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/70 "2013-09-01T23:11:23Z")
I’ll admit that I don’t believe a word of the official 9/11 story, but even I will agree that airplanes hit the buildings.
Generally, the only reason why this point is brought up is to bring out all the tin-foil hat type people. So that everybody can point and say anyone that doubts the official story is just a nutty conspiracy theorist.
However, seeing as how it looks like the US is going to be taking some kind of action in Syria very soon, I see the timing of the OP as more of a disinformation campaign. Their goal is to link anyone that doubts the official story to people that believe aliens or pod people did it. Or that they switched planes and on and on.
The fact is the 5 states on the PNAC list to be destroyed are being destroyed. Iraq, Libya, and now Syria. The goal being Iran.
All that has happened since '01, and will happen going foreword , is based on 9/11, based on fear.
The goal of the people that spread disinformation, like the OP, is to make people fear standing up and saying the official story is nothing but a pack of lies.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/71 "2013-09-01T23:15:39Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> In the trade centers 1 and 2, the planes clearly left imprints. The wings on each plane were clearly visible on all the videos and pictures on the web. In the pentagon, I can’t spot the imprints on any videos or pictures.
Well gosh, that might mean something if the buildings were built exactly the same way.
> [@](#):
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> They released five frames from one camera after a French reporter claimed it was a truck bomb.
Several other frames were released before the insane Frenchman made his pathetic claims.
> [@](#):
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> The five frames did not definitively show 757 but more like a missile because one frame has white smoke trail.
Yeah. Right a missile that is as almost two stories tall. Yah. Sure.
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> The pilotsfor911 website
Fail.
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> explained that aircraft on the ground does not produce white vapor, but only when they are at 30,000 feet.
If the Pilots for truth said the sky was blue I’d go out and double check.
> [@](#):
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> A rocket does produce white vapor trail. I’m sure we all see planes leaving white trails when they high above. There were no vapor trails leaving the planes in the airports or near ground level.
So you automatically assume that what you are seeing is vapor?
> [@](#):
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> “Fighting ignorance since discovering that I may have been duped”
You certainly were.
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### Author:  [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/72 "2013-09-01T23:19:06Z")
Based on this evidence:
[http://postimg.org/image/l97bp1yxf/](http://postimg.org/image/l97bp1yxf/)
I’d say it was one of the Great Eagles of Manwë.
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### Author:  [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)
#### Post date: [September 1, 2013, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/73 "2013-09-01T23:19:12Z")
Why is nobody discussing the simple, documented fact that the Pentagon was struck by a literally astronomical number of neutrinos, thought to have originated from a space-based nuclear reactor, in the few minutes before the plane supposedly hit?!
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/74 "2013-09-02T00:22:17Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Matters fuck all what it was made of. Build a 60 ton Nerf projectile and launch it at a building at 600 miles an hour and it’ll still do a lot of damage.
I wonder if Mythbusters and the City of Detroit would be willing to test this.
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### Author:  [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/75 "2013-09-02T00:25:14Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> I wonder if Mythbusters and the City of Detroit would be willing to test this.
Detroit might not be the best choice - how would you be able to tell the difference, before and after? 😃
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/76 "2013-09-02T01:26:52Z")
Many baseball bats are made of aluminum. Would anyone care to be hit by one to see how much damage it can cause?
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/77 "2013-09-02T02:25:29Z")
Worse, the rest are made of wood!
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### Author:  [@split\_p\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/split_p_j)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/78 "2013-09-02T02:39:30Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Matters fuck all what it was made of. Build a 60 ton Nerf projectile and launch it at a building at 600 miles an hour and it’ll still do a lot of damage.
I’m surprised no one is calling BS on this quote.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/79 "2013-09-02T02:44:53Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> The five frames did not definitively show 757 but more like a missile because one frame has white smoke trail. The pilotsfor911 website explained that aircraft on the ground does not produce white vapor, but only when they are at 30,000 feet.
Aircraft also produce smoke trails near ground level if there is engine damage. There is evidence that one of 77’s engines clipped a generator.
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/80 "2013-09-02T02:46:14Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#):
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> I’m surprised no one is calling BS on this quote.
Please, give it a try. Show your work. 🙂
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