# What really hit the Pentagon on 9/11/01?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 1, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729 "2013-09-01T14:56:03Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/81 "2013-09-02T02:52:50Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> Many baseball bats are made of aluminum. Would anyone care to be hit by one to see how much damage it can cause?
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Worse, the rest are made of wood!
You reminded of the thruter that used toothpicks and washers to make models of the twin towers to demonstrate how they could not collapse just by the crash and fire alone.
Besides the obvious failure of the materials he used not being appropriate for a model like that, he reported that the real amount of the materials used per floor were not available, (part of the conspiracy :rolleyes: ) never mind that they were. But the big trouble for him was that if that was the case, he never had good numbers to begin with, so any model that he made was in the end worthless.
As usual there was plenty of evidence we could find to show how wrong he was.
Good times, good times.
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/82 "2013-09-02T02:58:14Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Matters fuck all what it was made of. Build a 60 ton Nerf projectile and launch it at a building at 600 miles an hour and it’ll still do a lot of damage.
> [@split\_p\_j](#):
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> I’m surprised no one is calling BS on this quote.
Hey, [It’s Nerf or Nothing](http://mentalfloss.com/article/26916/brief-history-nerf-or-nothin)!!
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/83 "2013-09-02T03:03:43Z")
These days Nerf is primarily a weapons manufacturer.
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### Author:  [@openminder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/openminder)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/84 "2013-09-02T03:03:49Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#):
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> You were.
by MSM and the commission that is.
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### Author:  [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/85 "2013-09-02T03:05:47Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> by MSM and the commission that is.
So you went running to the laughably incompetent ‘Pilots for Truth’ folks? The ones who haven’t a jumbo jet pilot to their name but have tried to tell actual commercial pilots how things are supposed to happen, truther-style.
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### Author:  [@openminder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/openminder)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/86 "2013-09-02T03:07:19Z")
> [@Lute Skywatcher](#):
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> Aircraft also produce smoke trails near ground level if there is engine damage. There is evidence that one of 77’s engines clipped a generator.
the generator was by the wall. The vapor trail was way before that.
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo)
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### Author:  [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/87 "2013-09-02T03:12:13Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> the generator was by the wall. The vapor trail was way before that.
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> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo)
You need to check the video I linked to, the luminary and a part of one of the light poles suck into one of the engines explains the “vapor trail”
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### Author:  [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/88 "2013-09-02T03:12:59Z")
Are you [this](http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/blogs/we-read-it/2010/08/09/germs-gone-wild-how-the-unchecked-development-of-domestic-bio-defense-threatens-america.html) Ken King?
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### Author:  [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/89 "2013-09-02T03:15:01Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#):
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> I’m surprised no one is calling BS on this quote.
Why would we? 😕
I would be fascinated to find out why you think it is BS
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### Author:  [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/90 "2013-09-02T03:38:50Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> the generator was by the wall. The vapor trail was way before that.
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> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo)
Could you answer the questions posed in Post #65, please?
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/91 "2013-09-02T03:43:31Z")
> [@Chimera](#):
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> Please, give it a try. Show your work. 🙂
Indeed! And a YouTube video is not required, except it’s the only thing many Truthers understand.
> [@GIGObuster](#):
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> You reminded of the thruter that used toothpicks and washers to make models of the twin towers to demonstrate how they could not collapse just by the crash and fire alone.
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> Besides the obvious failure of the materials he used not being appropriate for a model like that, **he reported that the real amount of the materials used per floor were not available, (part of the conspiracy :rolleyes: )** never mind that they were. But the big trouble for him was that if that was the case, he never had good numbers to begin with, so any model that he made was in the end worthless.
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> As usual there was plenty of evidence we could find to show how wrong he was.
Wasn’t he a member here? _cough_psikeyhackr Shouldn’t speak ill of the banned, I suppose.
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### Author:  [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/92 "2013-09-02T03:47:47Z")
> [@openminder](#):
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> the generator was by the wall. The vapor trail was way before that.
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> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3iQuoyGIPo)
Go look at the video in post #6, the starboard engine was damaged by the third light pole that the plane hit.
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/93 "2013-09-02T03:52:16Z")
> [@dropzone](#):
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> Indeed! And a YouTube video is not required, except it’s the only thing many Truthers understand.
> Wasn’t he a member here? _cough_psikeyhackr Shouldn’t speak ill of the banned, I suppose.
My apologies to **psikeyhackr**. I thought he left us under a cloud years ago, but he is a current and active member. Again, I am sorry for my bumbling and inconsiderate error. ☹
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### Author:  [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/94 "2013-09-02T04:04:06Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#):
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> This article has a bunch of pictures of the plane debris scattered around the Pentagon [http://www.cracked.com/article\_15740\_was-911-inside-job.html](http://www.cracked.com/article_15740_was-911-inside-job.html)
Those guys carrying those plane pieces weren’t taking them away, they were carrying them _into_ the scene, to make it look like a plane hit. Plus how do we know when those pictures were really taken or where? They’re all actors. Obviously.
> [@El\_Kabong](#):
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> **Openminder** , and OP:
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> To help determine whether it’s worth wasting any further time on this thread, please answer the following three simple questions:
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> 1. What happened to N644AA, the Boeing 757-223 assigned to American Airlines flight 77 on September 11, 2001?
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> 2. Where are Pilot Charles Burlingame, First Officer David Charlebois, the cabin attendants and the 58 passengers manifested on AA flight 77 for that day?
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> 3. Why would the following persons:
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> Thomas A Kean
> Lee H. Hamilton
> Richard Ben-Veniste
> Bob Kerrey
> Fred Fielding
> John F. Lehmn
> Jamie S. Gorelick
> Timothy J. Roemer…
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> plus some 100 staff, agree to sign their names to a report stating that Flight 77 struck the Pentagon, if this was not in fact the case?
1/ It didn’t exist and anyone who says it did is in on the conspiracy. Or it has been sekritly flown to Omigodistan and broken up and melted down.
2/ They don’t exist. I’ve never met them. Anyone who says they have is an actor and in on the conspiracy. Or they were all sekritly killed and their bodies dumped somewhere. Or they were all in on the conspiracy and are now living under assumed names in Ferogsakistan
3/ They are all in on the conspiracy.
Really, this stuff is too easy. You can’t convince anyone of anything as soon as they believe that basically anything can be achieved in complete secrecy by the Guv’mint. Not much point trying. Mockery achieves as much and is more fun.
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### Author:  [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/95 "2013-09-02T04:13:36Z")
There used to be a 9/11 Pentagon conspiracy website run by some French guy which showed the shape of a Boeing 757 against a photo of the damage to the building. It fit absolutely perfectly. Of course, he concluded otherwise because his dumbass theory was that there should be a perfect 757 shaped hole, like something out of a Road Runner cartoon. But nonetheless the photo was absolutely damning. I linked to the photo ages ago in a thread on the subject but last time I checked the link was dead. Anyone know if it can still be found?
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/96 "2013-09-02T04:18:10Z")
[Any of these](https://www.google.com/search?q=757+superimposed+pentagon+damage&client=firefox-a&hs=Ylh&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MBEkUvecB4-8sQSS3IC4BQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1510&bih=815) look familiar?
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/97 "2013-09-02T04:21:25Z")
Oh, and as to aluminum being flimsy and airliners being built as lightly as possible, it’s all relative. It still has to lift many, many tonnes and pass through the air at 1000kph. You can’t do that with balsa and tissue.
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### Author:  [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/98 "2013-09-02T04:50:26Z")
> [@runner pat](#):
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> [Any of these](https://www.google.com/search?q=757+superimposed+pentagon+damage&client=firefox-a&hs=Ylh&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=MBEkUvecB4-8sQSS3IC4BQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1510&bih=815) look familiar?
I think this one: [Sludge Report #127 - The Hunt For Flight 77 | Scoop News](http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0203/S00030.htm) is either it or very like it. The heaviest damage matches the engines and fuselage, and there is light damage right out to the tips of the wings. It’s pretty much perfect.
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### Author:  [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/99 "2013-09-02T06:12:09Z")
> [@georgewk10](#):
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> What really hit the Pentagon on 9/11/01?
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> An aluminum plane could not have done that damage.
The Pentagon was hit by a hijacked commercial airplane. But if you’re not buying that story … it doesn’t make any difference. It was still hit by a hijacked commercial airplane, regardless of what you believe.
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### Author:  [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)
#### Post date: [September 2, 2013, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/100 "2013-09-02T07:05:16Z")
> [@Musicat](#):
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> When a plane crashes into something, it does not punch out an outline like Wiley Coyote, but crumples
Okay, folks: There are many,many fallacies running in this thread, and here at the Dope, I would expect to get thebasic facts straight.
So let me , finally, once and for all, tell you:
The name is _not_ Wiley Coyote.
It is Wile E. Coyote. And here is one of the most important links you will ever bookmark:
[a list of all the Acme products he used, from 1949 till the present time.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wile_E._Coyote_and_The_Road_Runner)
Please read the list carefully. Note that in addition to the Acme anvil, the Acme rocket-powered roller skates, and the Acme invisible paint, there is another weapon, clearly and openly used:
The Acme **Do-it-Yourself Kit Remote Control Missile-Bombs**!!!
So now we know how the 9\11 attacks were carried out.
That is all.
Mods, please close the thread.
🙂
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