# What really hit the Pentagon on 9/11/01? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 1, 2013, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729 "2013-09-01T14:56:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Musicat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/musicat/32/20189_2.png) [@Musicat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Musicat)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/141 "2013-09-03T00:29:38Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > Even worse, they believe they’re part of the conspiracy and thus only worthy of contempt. _Some of them_ were. And they died, too. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/142 "2013-09-03T02:03:46Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > No, that’s not it! The REAL pisser is how so many of them shit on the memories of the people who really existed and really died on Flight 77 so those little pissants can prop up their pet “theory” that no plane hit the Pentagon. It doesn’t even cross their minds that there were real people who died on that plane. Even worse is how they ‘devote’ their nonsense websites and youtube videos to ‘the victims of 9/11’ as if that makes their long debunked nonsense all better. They are shitting on the memories of the victims with their utterly unsupported nonsense and self-serving claims that every engineer on the planet laughs at. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/143 "2013-09-03T15:58:01Z")
> [@openminder](#): > > If the towers were to just collapsed by itself, even a child would wonder why? Remind that child of the truck bombs in '93, which had the power to bring down at least one Tower had they been parked directly against a support. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/144 "2013-09-03T16:02:33Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > the insulation on the steel was a blown on insulation. This was stripped off by the force of 200 tons of metal traveling at hundreds of mph. And had been flaking off for years prior. See also the Windsor Tower in Madrid, which caught fire during renovation to insulate the structural steel. Virtually all the structural steel which had yet to be insulated was left hanging off the building. ---
**Author:** ![AtomicDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ac91a4/32.png) [@AtomicDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AtomicDog)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/145 "2013-09-03T16:57:09Z")
> [@split\_p\_j](#): > > I’m surprised no one is calling BS on this quote. Oh? You may recall what a 500 mph piece of foam did to Columbia. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/146 "2013-09-03T17:03:15Z")
> [@AtomicDog](#): > > Oh? You may recall what a 500 mph piece of foam did to Columbia. How large would a 60 ton Nerf projectile be, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/147 "2013-09-03T17:24:42Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How large would a 60 ton Nerf projectile be, anyway? I’m not sure because there are several densities of nerf out there. Of course, we all know the guv’ment has super-secret ultra-nano-nerfite for these kind of black ops. ---
**Author:** ![spifflog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@spifflog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spifflog)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/148 "2013-09-03T18:04:23Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How large would a 60 ton Nerf projectile be, anyway? And how much would something that big weigh?? If we can figure that out . . . ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/149 "2013-09-03T20:56:10Z")
Yeah, foam varies a lot, but taking an average of 2.5 pounds per cubic foot from one chart I found (no idea how well that corresponds to Nerf foam), we’d be talking about 800 cubic feet per ton, or 48,000 cubic feet for a 60 ton mass. If this were a cylindrical dart 200 feet long, it would be 17.5 feet in diameter. Rather airplane like if you think about it, minus the wings. Whoops, gotta run. I’ll do the foot/pounds of impact when I get home unless someone else wants to do that part. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/150 "2013-09-03T20:56:40Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Of course, we all know the guv’ment has super-secret ultra-nano-nerfite for these kind of black ops. Oooh, someone’s getting a visit from the black Nerficopters tonight! ---
**Author:** ![georgewk10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@georgewk10](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/georgewk10)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/151 "2013-09-03T21:03:59Z")
I wonder has anyone answered the question about Cheney sitting around at the Pentagon some 45 minutes after the WTC incident and does nothing to get air defenses up? Gee, it looks like he’s working for Halliburton and their big no-bid contracts. Yes, he at least let if happen. And anyone who has looked at the photos of Pentagon damage and said an aluminum plane did it. Well. You can fool some of the people some of the time. But… ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/152 "2013-09-03T21:07:17Z")
> [@georgewk10](#): > > I wonder has anyone answered the question about Cheney sitting around at the Pentagon some 45 minutes after the WTC incident and does nothing to get air defenses up? Gee, it looks like he’s working for Halliburton and their big no-bid contracts. Yes, he at least let if happen. > And anyone who has looked at the photos of Pentagon damage and said an aluminum plane did it. > Well. You can fool some of the people some of the time. But… …you can fool **georgewk10** 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, any year you can name? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/153 "2013-09-03T21:17:05Z")
> [@georgewk10](#): > > I wonder has anyone answered the question about Cheney sitting around at the Pentagon some 45 minutes after the WTC incident and does nothing to get air defenses up? Yes, including in the thread you started on the topic. An answer was up within 5 posts. What more do you want? Instead of “Just Asking Questions”, how about you actually look at the decade’s worth of answers people have ALREADY PROVIDED? Here’s a start: > [@tomndebb](#): > > All this twit did was crib bullshit from the equally dumb [ae911.org](http://ae911.org). > > If you want to see people that did homework, then try these threads: > > [9/11 Conspiracy Theories!](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=364515) > [Was Bush Regime complicit in 9/11 attack?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=498050) > [9/11 wreckage](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=502056) > [Give me your 9/11 conspiracy theories! And/or their debunking](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=518232) > [So are there any pieces of evidence regarding a 9/11 conspiracy which cannot be explained?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=530500) > [9/11 conspiracy theories](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=559368) ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/154 "2013-09-03T21:31:05Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Whoops, gotta run. I’ll do the foot/pounds of impact when I get home unless someone else wants to do that part. I’d prefer [newtons](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_%28unit%29) if you don’t mind. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/155 "2013-09-03T21:32:39Z")
> [@deltasigma](#): > > I’d prefer [newtons](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_%28unit%29) if you don’t mind. 🆒 Who gives a fig _what_ you prefer? ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/156 "2013-09-03T21:35:59Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Who gives a fig _what_ you prefer? A spectographic analysis reveals what you did there. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/157 "2013-09-03T21:41:15Z")
> [@georgewk10](#): > > I wonder has anyone answered the question about Cheney sitting around at the Pentagon some 45 minutes after the WTC incident and does nothing to get air defenses up? _What_ air defenses? The ones that _do not exist_ due to presenting a hazard to the commuter planes that pass about 200 feet directly above Wedge 4 on final approach to Runway 15 at National? Can you imagine the outcry there would be should one of those commuter planes get shot down because the pilot strayed a little too low? ---
**Author:** ![georgewk10](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@georgewk10](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/georgewk10)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/158 "2013-09-03T21:45:15Z")
The Conspiracies are largely created by the government. It’s time to re-think those lies. visit. Rethink911 BTW we know who you represent. Do you believe in Judgment Day? Karma? I feel sorry for you. Your souls are in danger. Tell the truth. It shall set you free. > **[Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth | WTC Twin Towers and Building 7](https://www.ae911truth.org/)** > > AE911Truth is a nonprofit organization that represents more than 3,000 architects and engineers who are calling for a new investigation into the destruction of the World Trade Center Twin Towers and Building 7 on 9/11. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/159 "2013-09-03T21:47:51Z")
> [@georgewk10](#): > > I wonder has anyone answered the question about Cheney sitting around at the Pentagon some 45 minutes after the WTC incident and does nothing to get air defenses up? Gee, it looks like he’s working for Halliburton and their big no-bid contracts. Yes, he at least let if happen. You’d think that if Cheney knew the Pentagon was going to be hit by a missile, he’d have planned on telecommuting that day. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2013, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729/160 "2013-09-03T21:48:49Z")
Truth: there are no air defenses at the Pentagon. If there were, what was the purpose of parking mobile SAM batteries around it from 12 September 2001 until around 1 January 2002? Truth: nobody in the demolition business has come forward in support of the idea that the Towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Truth: one person in the demolition business has come forward in support of the idea that 7 was brought down by controlled demolition – and he was lied to by the “Truth” Movement. Truth: one person who was at the Pentagon came forward in support of seeing a missile that day – he was underground, on the opposite side of the building, and repeating what he supposedly heard from two others. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-really-hit-the-pentagon-on-9-11-01/667729.md?page=9)