# What recourse do/should people who destroyed/turned in their bump stock have? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [June 24, 2024, 7:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261 "2024-06-24T07:23:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/61 "2024-06-27T00:49:21Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > African-Americans > Japanese-Americans > First Peoples > . > . > People who briefly were stopped from cobbling together their own machine guns. Okay, now we’re getting somewhere, we have an admission that bump stock owners deserve something. It’s less than everyone else, and after everyone else, but Czarcasm agrees that they’re owed something. Anyone else? ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/62 "2024-06-27T00:53:18Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Now we’re getting somewhere. Note well, the mistake of law is still committed by the plaintiff in this theory. No, it’s not a mistake of law, and the plaintiff isn’t responsible. They were coerced into destroying their property because the Executive branch unconstitutionally threatened to make them felons if they didn’t comply. The plaintiff wasn’t in any position to say “hmmm, I don’t think I’ll follow this regulation”, not without serious risk to their liberty. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/63 "2024-06-27T00:56:17Z")
I am not saying they are owed anything. I am saying that there is a damn long line of groups that are just _seeking_ reparations, and the bump-musketeers are last in line as far as I’m concerned. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/64 "2024-06-27T01:01:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am saying that there is a damn long line of groups that are just _seeking_ reparations, and the bump-musketeers are last in line as far as I’m concerned. For heaven’s sake, I don’t think anyone on this thread would argue otherwise. We’ve all stipulated the same. How hard is it to understand that the only debatable question here is whether bump stock owners deserve anything, not whether they deserve more or less than anybody else? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/65 "2024-06-27T01:03:45Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > They were coerced into destroying their property because the Executive branch unconstitutionally threatened to make them felons if they didn’t comply. The plaintiff wasn’t in any position to say “hmmm, I don’t think I’ll follow this regulation”, not without serious risk to their liberty. Right – and under our tradition of law, such a circumstance does not require you to be compensated. … (Can’t help notice the OP’s plea to not make it about gun control would have been presume doomed from the start, but it has been observed by some, while other participants have taken every opportunity to remind the reader of their scorn for what the loss was and/or for who feels wronged.) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/66 "2024-06-27T12:07:05Z")
As an aside, I just looked up what a bump stock was and my God, they actually managed to find a way to make assault rifles even _less_ accurate in full auto? That takes some creativity. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/67 "2024-06-27T18:15:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > African-Americans > Japanese-Americans > First Peoples > . Whataboutism. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/68 "2024-06-27T19:24:29Z")
No. Prioritizing. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/69 "2024-06-28T01:18:52Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > If you want to keep them happy as customers, agree that the situation sucks, and suggest they write their congressional rep. and be sure to remind them its Trump’s fault. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/70 "2024-06-28T02:26:42Z")
Eh if you want to keep your customers, stay away from political partisanship. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/71 "2024-06-28T04:41:48Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > and be sure to remind them its Trump’s fault. 😉 If you kept attention at the time you’d remember me bitching to high heaven about this, about Trump, and about the way the ban got implemented. I was at the NRA convention where He was blathering how while he was President the 2nd Amendment was sage and then in a very short period of time he went after pieces of plastic that citizens bought legally. > [@puzzlegal](#): > > Eh if you want to keep your customers, stay away from political partisanship. Not necessary in a gun store. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/72 "2024-06-28T04:57:38Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > pieces of plastic Interesting way to describe bump stocks. And since they really are _just_ pieces of plastic and not _actual_ firearms I’m not really seeing a Second Amendment protection for them. But that’s just me… ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/73 "2024-06-28T05:58:55Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > But that’s just me… What’s just you is you didn’t read what the ire was about the ban (the way it was implemented) and the reasoning behind overturning the ban. None of it based on the 2nd Amendment. As my OP insisted, this is not a gun control debate. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/74 "2024-06-28T06:35:52Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > What’s just you is you didn’t read what the ire was about the ban (the way it was implemented) Bullshit, the ire is over finally getting a work around the specific wording of the federal ban on machine guns, after many failed attempts, and having the government finally come to it’s senses and say _NO_. Alito got it right, “There can be little doubt that the Congress that enacted 26 U. S. C. §5845(b) would not have seen any material difference between a machinegun and a semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock.” But hey, what’s this statutory intent thingy? No one ever said that that should be paid attention to, ever. According to this ‘it takes two separate actions to make it work so…’ that would mean that some early machine gun designs should not fall under 26 U. S. C. §5845(b) since you have to press and hold a thingy before the trigger will do it’s trigger thing . . . just like a bump stock. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/75 "2024-06-28T06:42:23Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Bullshit, the ire is over finally getting a work around the specific wording of the federal ban on machine guns, after many failed attempts, and having the government finally come to it’s senses and say _NO_. Then open your own thread about that. As the OP said, this debate could be about having to surrender or destroy lawfully purchased widgets. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/76 "2024-06-28T06:51:35Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > As the OP said, this debate could be about having to surrender or destroy lawfully purchased widgets. And yet the OP had exactly one paragraph about that. If you didn’t want this to be a discussion about guns you should have not started it five paragraphs about ‘guns’. Maybe if you don’t want this to about a specific you should find some actual examples that are not about guns. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/77 "2024-06-28T07:10:29Z")
Now that SCOTUS has overturned the law there will be a push in Congress to ban them. Might I suggest you start a debate about that and we can argue there. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/78 "2024-06-28T19:48:33Z")
Yes. If Congress had done it, SCOTUS would have not said a thing. It was the way it was done, changing the meaning of a law by a simple regulation. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/79 "2024-06-29T19:08:54Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Let me roleplay here… > > […] > > > “Your honor, my client willfully destroyed his own property due to good faith reliance on the government’s regulations, which constituted a mistake of law (the regulation was subsequently deemed unconstitutional). We humbly request the court remedy this injury by ordering the government to pay damages.” > > Now we’re getting somewhere. Note well, the mistake of law is still committed by the plaintiff in this theory. […] > [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > No, it’s not a mistake of law, and the plaintiff isn’t responsible. They were coerced into destroying their property because the Executive branch unconstitutionally threatened to make them felons if they didn’t comply. The plaintiff wasn’t in any position to say “hmmm, I don’t think I’ll follow this regulation”, not without serious risk to their liberty. To make a decision due to misunderstanding about law is a mistake of law by definition. That is precisely what happens when the client destroys his own property based on a good faith assumption that a regulation is valid and applies to him. The plaintiff was, in fact, in a position to ask a court to rule the regulation unconstitutional, and to ask for an injunction against its enforcement, which is how the case got to the Supreme Court in the first place. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2024, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261/80 "2024-07-22T22:02:29Z")
> [@pkbites](#): > > As the OP said, this debate could be about having to surrender or destroy lawfully purchased widgets. Probably should have made a thread about widgets that aren’t for guns, then, because that’s going to be the issue everyone focuses in on. Maybe make the thread about vapes, or those tires with the colored stripe of rubber in them so you could do rainbow burnouts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-recourse-do-should-people-who-destroyed-turned-in-their-bump-stock-have/1003261.md?page=3)