# What result on 4/26 would convince you that it's over for Bernie? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 20, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759 "2016-04-20T21:47:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/1 "2016-04-20T21:47:33Z")
I think it’s over for him now, but there’s still a few posters who think he can turn this thing around. He’s down by 237 pledged delegates and as a result needs to win the remaining contests by an average of around 17 points. I see a few contests coming up where he can meet or exceed that threshold, but not nearly enough. Five states have primaries on 4/26 (Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island) with 384 pledged delegates up for grabs. If you believe Sanders still has a chance, how many delegates does he need to win on 4/26 for you to keep believing? Is there a number of delegates won that would convince you that it’s over? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/2 "2016-04-20T21:48:50Z")
He’s got a fork sticking out of him already. It’s done. But I’m still going to vote for him in the CA primary!! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/3 "2016-04-20T21:49:51Z")
I reported this thread for forum change. I meant to put it in Elections. I hope the moderate acts before Pit language makes the move impossible. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/4 "2016-04-20T22:23:50Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > I reported this thread for forum change. I meant to put it in Elections. I hope the moderate acts before Pit language makes the move impossible. You never know where **Miller** is, so I moved it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/5 "2016-04-20T22:25:11Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/6 "2016-04-20T22:26:37Z")
Sanders can’t “turn it around,” but neither is it “over” for him. He will stay in until the convention, using his bully-pulpit to push the Overton Window left. This does not end in July and it does not end in November and it does not end when HRC is inaugurated in January. Sanders will never be POTUS, but the next POTUS after Clinton will be more like him than her politically. That is the point of all this. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/7 "2016-04-20T22:36:37Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sanders can’t “turn it around,” but neither is it “over” for him. He will stay in until the convention, using his bully-pulpit to push the Overton Window left. This does not end in July and it does not end in November and it does not end when HRC is inaugurated in January. Sanders will never be POTUS, but the next POTUS after Clinton will be more like him than her politically. That is the point of all this. And Trump is moving the Overton Window too! We never talked about banning Muslims until this election! America is gonna have the biggest goddamn Overton window in the world! So even if neither of them is president, we all win! USA! USA! ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/8 "2016-04-20T22:56:55Z")
For all practical purposes, Bernie is already done. If he doesn’t win Pennsylvania, however, he is completely cooked. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/9 "2016-04-21T01:06:10Z")
The only thing that would convince me it’s over is if he gave a concession speech, or was mathematically eliminated. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/10 "2016-04-21T01:09:47Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And Trump is moving the Overton Window too! We never talked about banning Muslims until this election! America is gonna have the biggest goddamn Overton window in the world! So even if neither of them is president, we all win! USA! USA! Yeah, the “Overton Window” is gonna look like like those on the front of Sak’s 5th Avenue if we’re going by this election. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/11 "2016-04-21T01:20:16Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > The only thing that would convince me it’s over is if he gave a concession speech, or was mathematically eliminated. Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/12 "2016-04-21T01:22:39Z")
If the sun sets in the west that night, it’s over for Bernie. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/13 "2016-04-21T01:52:23Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Sanders can’t “turn it around,” but neither is it “over” for him. He will stay in until the convention, using his bully-pulpit to push the Overton Window left. This does not end in July and it does not end in November and it does not end when HRC is inaugurated in January. Sanders will never be POTUS, but the next POTUS after Clinton will be more like him than her politically. That is the point of all this. I’m so disgusted with Sanders at this point I certainly hope we never have a POTUS like him. I’ll take some of his ideas just fine but we can do without a left wing tea party president. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/14 "2016-04-21T01:56:28Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > The only thing that would convince me it’s over is if he gave a concession speech, or was mathematically eliminated. Will you count being mathematically eliminated inclusive of committed superdelegates? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/15 "2016-04-21T02:20:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > And Trump is moving the Overton Window too! We never talked about banning Muslims until this election! America is gonna have the biggest goddamn Overton window in the world! No, actually, still a much narrower one than in most democracies – but, significantly wider than it was before. And, yes, that does mean we all win. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/16 "2016-04-21T02:21:53Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Will you count being mathematically eliminated inclusive of committed superdelegates? Do you remember what the superdelegates did last time Hillary ran for president? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/17 "2016-04-21T02:22:41Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > I’m so disgusted with Sanders at this point I certainly hope we never have a POTUS like him. I’ll take some of his ideas just fine but we can do without a left wing tea party president. We can. But America can’t do without a left-wing tea party party. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/18 "2016-04-21T02:32:33Z")
It’s over, he knows it. He’s working on an exit strategy. He doesn’t have to concede, but he knows that Hillary will be increasing her lead and he won’t have a credible argument to take to the convention. He has to find the way to cash in on his achievement within the party now. After the election is over he’ll be persona non grata at the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/19 "2016-04-21T02:36:38Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Do you remember what the superdelegates did last time Hillary ran for president? Started switching their preference as Obama won both the popular vote and the pledged delegate counts. Which has nothing at all to do with the situation this year. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759/20 "2016-04-21T02:43:25Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > Do you remember what the superdelegates did last time Hillary ran for president? Yup. As the pledged race started to move relatively more solidly in one direction, Obama’s, (much less than the lead Clinton now has) they moved en masse along with them, deciding the race without the pledged delegate numbers clinching it. Once the Obama crossed the line with pledged plus superdelegates Clinton conceded. The superdelegate move to him began in February and continued. Do _you_ remember? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-result-on-4-26-would-convince-you-that-its-over-for-bernie/752759.md?page=2)