What SF Novel Would You Most Want to See Made into a Movie?

I was thinking the Stainless Steel Rat books, too. They already fit well into an established Hollywood pattern, the skilled, stealthy action hero. Basically, it’s James Bond with better gadgets and in a futuristic setting. The no-killing thing would be a refreshing change of pace, though, and would distinguish the movies from its predecessors.

Of Heinlein’s works, Starship Troopers would probably make the best movie, but sadly, it’s never been done and now probably won’t ever be. One would think that it would be a no-brainer, that one should de-emphasize the politics and emphasize the action, not the other way around. Give us powered armor, and nuclear hand grenades! Give us reentry capsules! Give us the twenty-second bomb!

I think Peter Dinklage would be excellent as Miles Vorkosigan.

Although if they ever tried to make this movie, they’d probably end up casting Hugh Jackman, instead.

I was thinking of the Benford, Brin and Bear books. I don’t remember him doing much action in the Asimov ones, his female robot companion did that job.

This is currently undergoing fitful development on the plates of director David Fincher and star/producer Morgan Freeman. I’d give it a one-in-twenty shot of actually going into preproduction.

A question for everybody who has responded so far:

I’m seeing a whole lot of suggestions for adaptations of material that, at least on the page, are basically unfilmable. However, there are a number of excellent story ideas that could be adapted, if you’re willing to consider how the rules by which movies operate are different from the rules by which prose stories work, not to mention basic pragmatic details of the (sometimes now-dated) original material.

Just one example:

Heinlein’s The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is a good suggestion. The sociopolitical explorations that have always been Heinlein’s bread-and-butter are nicely balanced with the fascination of the locale and the ample action scenes. You can be essentially faithful to Heinlein’s themes about economics and human group dynamics while still delivering the effects and slam-bang stuff that is required for a science-fiction movie to get greenlighted in Hollywood. Plus, the intelligent computer Mike (or Michelle :)) is a fun character, and something the movies haven’t really done before: superintelligent but persnickety, halfway between HAL and the bomb in Dark Star.

But: Heinlein gives his characters an offbeat linguistic style, a patois of choppy English and a bit of Russian that makes sense from the perspective of the mid-1960s when the book was written. Now, though, the Russians are fading in international prominence, and the dialect looks like a Cold War relic. You simply couldn’t pull it off in a modern film; it’d make the movie feel like a museum piece.

So you have two choices: You can dump it entirely, or you can change it to something more realistic. Based on current trends, it seems to me that the most likely candidates for non-Western integration into future space/engineering projects are China and India. If you want to keep Heinlein’s general idea, which is quite reasonable, you’d need to come up with a new variation on his original notion, one that incorporates Chinese (as in the Firefly universe) or Hindi. Or you could make up something else entirely, projecting a random future event that makes, say, Egypt a major power.

So as we fantasize about the movies we’d like to see, I need to ask: How reasonable and realistic are you about what would need to be done to translate the written work to the screen? Consider that the faithfulness of Peter Jackson’s LOTR trilogy is viewed through two lenses: the purists who hate the exclusion of Glorfindel and a thousand other details, and the casual reader who couldn’t care less and who has gotten the basic gist of the story. Me, I recognize Jackson’s films are not perfectly “accurate,” but I also recognize that they’re far, far more faithful to the source material than anybody could possibly have expected given the magnitude of Tolkein’s creation. It is a necessary compromise. (And no, I don’t want to argue whether the specific choices were good or bad. The fact the remains that choices had to be made.)

So stop and really think about it. If you’re going to commit, say, Asimov’s Foundation material (in some fashion) to the screen, how do you do it? How do you beef up his notoriously thin characters? There isn’t enough in the text to make interesting people, so you have to add stuff; what do you add? What is the story arc for two hours? Who is the primary individual protagonist? Who is the primary individual antagonist? What is the central thematic point of the book(s)? What is most important to bring to the screen, and what can be discarded? If you choose to focus on the Mule, how do you deal with the fact that a lot of his action occurs offstage? How do you stretch a story over hundreds of years, regularly replacing your cast of characters (excluding the Seldon recordings), without losing the audience’s interest?

As another example of a story whose structure just plain wouldn’t work on screen, consider Haldeman’s Forever War. There’s no central dramatic question, and no narrative arc. The power of the story is in the character’s deteriorating relationship to his job, and in the accumulating evidence of the passing centuries of history that the leadership, despite ever-advancing technological wonders, continues to have approximately the same lack of clue about what they’re doing as they always have. Great book. Would make a terrible movie. If you’re going to adapt it for the screen, you need to find a central question to drive everything, probably something about separating the hero from his lover toward the beginning, and having him assume the relativistic dilations mean they’ll never see each other, but then give him a hint at a possible reunion if he does this-and-that-and-the-other. In other words, you’d basically have to make up the last twenty minutes of the movie completely from scratch in order to have a screen story that works. Does it violate the book? Arguably. Is it necessary? Yes.

I hate to be a grouch, but translating a prose story into a visual medium is a lot harder than it seems. It’s one thing to wish for a perfect adaptation to arrive as if delivered from the sky, but it’s another to actually have to figure out how to slog through the process of making it happen.

Speaking for myself, I think the simplest-to-summarize ideas are probably the most potent for screen treatment. Take, for example, Robert L. Sawyer’s Calculating God. The hook is fantastic: A spaceship lands next to a museum. An alien creature gets out, walks in the front door, and says to the receptionist, “Take me to your paleontologist.” I mean, how can you not love that? The ad campaign writes itself, and as long as the rest of the story bears a passing resemblance to the book, you’ve got a winner. Anything more complicated, and you’re in trouble; compare Sawyer’s Factoring Humanity, which while based on a cool idea, the premise would take more than twenty-five words to explain (and is more than a little reminiscent of Contact), and thus is dead on arrival in movie terms.

The bottom line: In a movie, you’ve got 45 to 60 individual scenes, and maybe half that many important plot points before the story gets too complicated to follow. You get five minutes of pure exposition at the beginning before the audience gets restless; if you can’t explain your science or your civilization in that time, you’re dead. You get two or three major good-guy characters, four or five major supporting characters in their orbit, and half that many on the antagonist’s side. Within the first half hour, you must establish a central driving narrative question that will be answered in the last five minutes (why is the monolith on the moon? will NASA divert the comet? will Cole track down the virus?).

I’m not trying to piss in the fire here. I am asking that we intelligently and creatively consider what would need to be done to help the story leap successfully from page to celluloid. I’m all for good SF movies; I’m regularly disappointed by Hollywood’s pale imitations, and absolutely encourage the adaptation of worthwhile stories in a responsible manner. But just as you must be responsible to the source material, you also have to be responsible to the requirements of screen storytelling. Otherwise you get David Lynch’s Dune, which looks utterly fantastic and which is so stilted and awkward from a narrative standpoint that it’s utterly impossible to sit through in one go.

Back to your thread in progress. :slight_smile:

:smack: of course Peter Dinklage! But he is getting too old for the earlier books.

Earth Abides (George Stewart) would make a nice low-budget post-apocalyptic film. Wouldn’t require much in the way of special effects.

Done right, I think Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers (a parody of classic space opera) could be a hoot, as could some of the Retief stuff.

In the fantasy genre, I occasionally find myself wishing that somebody would do a film version of Tim Powers’ The Drawing of the Dark. It’s about the Turkish invasion of Austria, King Arthur, and beer–not necessarily in that order. And it culminates with a series of big-ass battle scenes.

And I for one don’t see the reason for all the vitriol directed against the film version of Starship Troopers. Sure, it wasn’t all that faithful to the book, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a decent bad-in-a-good-way film. Try mentally changing the title to Starship Troopers (Verhoeven Remix) and see if that helps any.

The Legacy of Heorot

I read this quite some time ago, but based on it’s origins (Beofwulf) I think it could actually be made into a pretty good movie without chopping it to shreds. It’s a pretty simple story, but it’s got enough action, excitement, suspense, etc. that I’m actually surprised it hasn’t already been done.

Yeah, but wouldn’t they just turn this into Jurassic Park XVIII or whatever they’re up to by now?

Just speaking for myself, I consider these threads to be “…and a pony” threads. It’s not really about what’s feasible, it’s about what you’d like to see made into a movie in a perfect world where there are an abundance of super-genius directors who can take 500 page novels and boil them down to a movie that is 100% faithful to the source material, works perfectly as a movie, and still be short enough to watch in one sitting. And he gives everyone who sees the movie a pony. I mean, 99% of these are ideas that will never, under any circumstances, be made into a movie in any possible permutation of reality. So why bother with petty considerations like if the source material is actually filmable?

That said being said…

Loach, the great thing about Miles is that he’s always supposed to have looked older than he is. When he was eighteen, he looked old enough to convincingly pass as an admiral and leader of a mercenary fleet. Dinklage is too old to play Miles as a young boy (which is, what, two short stories out of the entire series?) but a little make-up and some good acting, and he’d still be perfect for Miles at any point after he washes out of the academy.

Part of the problem for me was that it didn’t even rise to the level of “so-bad-it’s-good.” It was more “so-bad-it’s-really-really-bad.” Now, generally speaking, I don’t care about fidelity to the source material. My favorite sf example of this is Blade Runner, which bore almost no resemblence to the novel it was based on, yet was still an excellent film. So, I don’t mind that Verhoeven made a film that wasn’t faithful to the novel, I’m just bothered that he made a movie that was so wretchedly stupid that it was barely watchable. But, for Heinlein fans (i’m not really much of one myself) I can absolutely understand why they were so angry about the movie, because it didn’t simply wander from its roots in the novel, it was openly mocking them. Imagine if, back in '79, you went to the opening of the very first Star Trek movie, after years of waiting for your favorite TV show to come to the big screen. But when the movie starts, it’s not Star Trek, it’s Galaxy Quest. Even though GQ is a pretty good movie in and of itself, it’s not what was advertised, it’s not what you paid your money for, and (because this is well before Star Trek became the juggernaut it is today) it pretty much precluded anyone from making another Star Trek movie for another ten to twenty years. That is why Heinlein fans get so worked up over Starship Troopers, above and beyond what the quality of the movie itself would seem to warrant.

I have to chime in to agree wholeheartedly with the previous suggestions for Alfred Bester’s works, and Harrison’s Stainless Steel Rat (hell, the Rat could be a whole series!).

In addition, I’d suggest Robert J. Sawyer’s Neanderthal Parallax trilogy. Still haven’t read the final volume, but it’s an intriguing story regarding contact with an alternate Earth wherein Neanderthals became the dominant species, and Homo sapiens became extinct. Sawyer draws a complete picture of an alternate culture, replete with alternative technology.

I’d also like to see Ellison’s “‘Repent, Harlequin!’ Said the Ticktockman” adapted for the screen, though it may be better suited as a teleplay (pity the SF anthology series has gone the way of the dinosuar). Then again, Ellison would of course demand complete creative control of the screenplay, and wind up pissing everybody off before it got made. :wink:

I’m going to suggest The Forever War, by Joe Haldeman. The one problem I can foresee is how to get adequately bring across to the viewer the vast stretches of time that have passed by during space travel at relativistic speeds, but I think it should be doable. It’s a great story on several levels - there’s the futility and horror of war, the anguish of being a complete misfit (during the last op, where everyone’s gay but the protagonist), and a nice love story to boot. And it shouldn’t need to be horrendously long to get all the important bits in.

I think Ringworld would make a lousy movie, since it’s mostly just a travelogue (though properly done the visuals could really rock), and a great many of the other suggestions here just need far too much setup to work as a 2-3 hour flick.

I like the Stainless Steel Rat suggestions. That’d make a fun action franchise. I’ll also second the Gateway suggestion.

I’d love to see Roger Zelazny’s short story, “For a Breath I Tarry,” directed by Chris Cunningham.

Many of Eric Frank Russell’s clever-Terran-outwits-the-aliens stories would not only translate well to film, the we-are-number-one mentality should do very well at the box office.

And though the larger concept is probably unfilmable, I’d love to see an adaptation of his “Sentinels from Space” with its insectivocals, mini-engineers, floaters, telepaths and more.

Theodore Sturgeon’s “Slow Sculpture” is a love story (as are most of his works) of powerful proportions that could be done easily with next to no SF trappings.

And a big second to Spider Robinson’s “Mindkiller/Time Pressure” stuff. A great deal easier than the Callahan’s would be to shoot and it still has powerful, gripping themes.

Eric Frank Russell’s Wasp is one of my favorite novels. The story is easy to summarize – man goes undercover as a “wasp,” a secret agent who’s supposed to annoy and distract the enemy to prepare for invasion, armed with non-weapons such as slogan-bearing stickers whose adhesive has water-activated acid (so trying to wash them off burns their message into the surface permanently). No special effects required, really. You could do it for next to nothing. It’s perhaps a bit too close to The Man Who Fell To Earth for some, but I’d love to see it.

Alternatively, Russell’s The Space Willies. Similarly small in scope. Stranded spyship pilot needs to find a way to convince his alien captors that he should be sent home, so he invents an invisible friend named Eustace. Hilarity ensues. Kind of like Hogan’s Heroes in a way.

Both of these are movies that don’t require a director who can take a 500-page novel and create a faithful replica. They’re smaller in scope, more psychological, and either would work well as a semi-indy film.

I heard a while back that Morgon Freeman was trying to make that movie, but I haven’t heard anything lately.

Yes, depending on who made the film, it could well turn into another Jurassic Park. And given the amount of money the Jurassic Park franshice has made, that’s why I’m surprised no one had made The Legend of Heorot into a movie.

But, I think it could also be made into a more adult movie that doesn’t place as much emphasis on computer generated monsters, a la Forbidden Planet and Alien where less is more in terms of monsters.

Samuel R. Delany’s Nova.

Heinlein’s Citizen of the Galaxy.

This deserves to be on the second page, too, so folks don’t forget it by the time they’re ready to make their reply.

Okay, I’ve got a few others.

Harry Harrison’s ‘homeworld’ (and probably the other segments of the “to the stars” trilogy too.) This isn’t really pure sci-fi, it’s more like a political suspense/amateur espionage tale that happens to be set in the twenty-third century or whenever… and political suspense/espionage flicks don’t tend to do too badly at the box office. :smiley:

First off, there’s so many incredible scenes. The gulfs of the middle east and the incredible boating accident and struggle for survival clinging to the capsized sailboat, the submarine rescue. Incredibly rich and modern homes of the rich and famous in england, and then the contrast of seeing the horrible prole slums right there in London. The frozen beauty of the scottish highlands, the bustling and busy space station, the canal boat in the thames that serves as secret meeting place of the democratic underground…

A number of interesting characters… primarily Jan, Sara, and Smitty. In this day and age, you could probably get a sizable shock out of the realization that this seemingly idyllic and paradisical future is in fact a subtly totalitarian regime where even the word ‘democracy’ has been wiped out of public knowledge. Of course, you’d have to pay attention and make sure there was TONS of chemistry, both between Jan and Sara as the romantic leads, and between Jan and Smitty as the antagonists.

On a fantasy note, I also nominate “Wizard of earthsea.” Coming of age tale as a brash young apprentice struggles to control the darkness he has let loose… dragons and evil talking stones and lonely towers and all that. The only problem is, if they were going to stay true to the spirit of the piece, there’d have to be a lot of filming on or near the sea, and that can get expensive and difficult from what I’ve heard.