# What shall we call the latest Bush scandal? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 14, 2003, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751 "2003-06-14T04:49:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/13edae/32.png) [@Dewey\_Cheatem\_Undhow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Cheatem_Undhow)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/21 "2003-06-14T14:23:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*The Democrasts haven’t accused Laura Bush of being a murderess, \*\* [They haven’t](http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID12/2889.html)? ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/22 "2003-06-14T14:34:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*[They haven’t](http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID12/2889.html)? \*\* I stand corrected. Well, at least the Dems didn’t accuse Laura Bush of killing Vince Foster and then moving his body. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/23 "2003-06-14T14:35:55Z")
How about something with “scam” at the end? Remember Abscam? I also remeber a few preliminary references to “Iran-scam” before they finally settled on the “Iran-Contra Affair.” So…“Iraq-scam?” 'Shrub-scam?" “WMD-scam?” I’ve got it…“Saddam-scam.” If you say “Saddam” like “Sa-damn” it even rhymes…'Sa-damn-scam." Works for me. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/24 "2003-06-14T14:54:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*[They haven’t](http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID12/2889.html)? \*\* A couple of minor distinctions here. First, The Laura Bush story is essentially _true_, even if the site you link to tries to exaggerate its significance. The Vince Foster story was a complete fabrication. Secondly, there is no indication, even on the admittedly slanted link that Laura Bush’s accident was deliberate, only an (as far as we know, unfounded) insinuation that she got special treatment. Hilary was accused of being a deliberate murderer. Thirdly, there is no national industry of Laura haters pimping this story in books and on radio on a daily basis. I’d never even heard of it before you posted that link. Even the mainstream media gave some attention to the Vince Foster legend, despite its total lack of any credibility. Ken starr even had to pretend to take it seriously in order to placate the rabid partisans in congress. The Vince Foster conspiracy still didn’t die even after Starr said it was bullshit. I’m sure if I did a google search I would find that the story lives to this day in some quarters. Imagine if Hillary had actually killed somebody in a car crash after running a red light. Do you think she might have gotten a little more attention for that than Laura Bush did? ---
**Author:** ![BeatenMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3ab097/32.png) [@BeatenMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeatenMan)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/25 "2003-06-14T14:59:44Z")
We can call it hind sight 20 20 ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/26 "2003-06-14T15:04:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*We can call it hind sight 20 20 \*\* That’s a pretty good suggestion, **BeatenMan**. I’d a nevuh dun it ifn I’d a known I wus gonna get caught. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/27 "2003-06-14T15:07:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BeatenMan \* > \*\*We can call it hind sight 20 20 \*\* Huh? How is it hindsight when people are knowingly using forged evidence? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/28 "2003-06-14T15:25:53Z")
I’d vote for Bushscam, but that sounds a little too much like a porn site. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*The Pubbies aren’t even getting half of the heat that they would dish out if Clinton had started the war with the same premises. \*\* **gobear** , you’re actually defending Democrats? Why is the sky orange? Why is David Duke black? What is all this furniture doing on my ceiling? Why is that dog sleeping with that cat? ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/29 "2003-06-14T15:27:36Z")
How about ‘ends-justify-the-means-gate’? This way, those that believe in that idea will be okay with it, and those that aren’t can be outraged. Everyone goes home (un)happy. QED. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/30 "2003-06-14T15:29:48Z")
For the time being, we can call it “the latest Bush scandal”. Not for long, most likely. ---
**Author:** ![Desmostylus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c57346/32.png) [@Desmostylus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Desmostylus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/31 "2003-06-14T15:31:48Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tdn \* > **What is all this furniture doing on my ceiling?** Because you’re into feng shui? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_great_unwashed/32/4791_2.png) [@The\_Great\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Great_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/32 "2003-06-14T15:35:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Carter of Mars \* > \*\*“So what are we going to call what may be the biggest Presidential scandal in American history?” > > Over dramatize much? \*\* Should the assertion of the OP prove to be true (that the Bush administration knowingly misled the people to justify a politically expedient\* war), I struggle to imagine a _bigger_ scandal. Please enlighten me. \*and possibly illegal – the legality of this war was predicated on the threat to the US right? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/33 "2003-06-14T15:39:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Desmostylus \* > \*\*Because you’re into feng shui? 🙂 \*\* We’re just friends, I swear. Even though we’ve had a bit of chow fun together. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/34 "2003-06-14T15:52:07Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tdn \* > \*\*I’d vote for Bushscam, but that sounds a little too much like a porn site. > > **gobear** , you’re actually defending Democrats? > > Why is the sky orange? > > Why is David Duke black? > > What is all this furniture doing on my ceiling? > > Why is that dog sleeping with that cat? \*\* If you read my posts, you 'll notice that I argue for what I believe to be right, not what suits my prejudices. I still think getting rid of Saddam was an excellent idea, but I resent being lied to in order to instigate a war. I’m old-fashioned enough to believe that honor and integrity are important ideals for national leaders to attain. I prefer to think for myself instead of blindly following leaders merely because they are labeled “conservative.” ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/35 "2003-06-14T15:56:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*If you read my posts, you 'll notice that I argue for what I believe to be right, not what suits my prejudices. I still think getting rid of Saddam was an excellent idea, but I resent being lied to in order to instigate a war. I’m old-fashioned enough to believe that honor and integrity are important ideals for national leaders to attain. > > I prefer to think for myself instead of blindly following leaders merely because they are labeled “conservative.” \*\* I just want to mention that with all of the blind partisan reactions surrounding this issue (and I will be the first to admit that (coming from the more Liberal side of the spectrum) this is something in myself that I must fight) that this particular attitude is one that we would all do well to emulate. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/36 "2003-06-14T16:02:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gobear \* > \*\*I prefer to think for myself instead of blindly following leaders merely because they are labeled “conservative.” \*\* A noble and good attitude. I commend you. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/37 "2003-06-14T16:04:59Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ben \* > **It’s becoming increasingly difficult to believe that among Bush, Cheney, Tenet, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Powell, _nobody_ knew that Bush was using forged evidence that Iraq was trying to get uranium from Niger.** Okay, time for me to expouse my ignorance. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/38 "2003-06-14T16:32:14Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lord Ashtar \* > \*\*Okay, time for me to expouse my ignorance. > > Cite? \*\* [http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=3&num=274](http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=3&num=274) [http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20030315/21020.shtml](http://www.theolympian.com/home/specialsections/War/20030315/21020.shtml) [http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2003/03/14/43384-ap.html](http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/Iraq/2003/03/14/43384-ap.html) Here are several cites as to the forged documents. Whether or not the Bush administration knew they were forged can only be guessed at, ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/39 "2003-06-14T16:39:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zelmph(!) \* > \*\*Does it have to be [something]-gate? That whole “gate” construction’s starting to look a little threadbare. I long for the days of the “Iran-Contra Affair.” Now **that** was a name. Whenever the newsbots said that, I always half expected them to follow it up with “a new novel by John le Carre. In bookstores now.” 🙂 \*\* Or maybe we could have gone with a Robert Ludlum angle: “The Scowcroft Directive.” (Personally, I hate the entire “gate” thing, hence the parody. I do like “Iraqgate” vs “Irangate” though. But the best by far is “Saddamscam,” IMO. Diogenes, you are a genius.) ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2003, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751/40 "2003-06-14T16:43:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > \*_Should the assertion of the OP prove to be true (that the Bush administration knowingly misled the people to justify a politically expedient_ war), I struggle to imagine a _bigger_ scandal. Please enlighten me. > > \*and possibly illegal – the legality of this war was predicated on the threat to the US right? \*\* Well, in JC of M’s defense, let me say that you could probably draw a comparison to the Spanish-American war. There are some differences, though: (and please correct my history if I’m wrong.) 1.) No massive disapproval from the international community beforehand 2.) No actual _scandal_, in the case of the S-A war (wrongdoing, yes, but no scandal.) It remains to be seen whether Saddamscam will fully bloom. 3.) No master list of countries to invade one by one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-shall-we-call-the-latest-bush-scandal/181751.md?page=3)